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[NorthDallas40]

Most of these surveys of "historians" have Lincoln #1 or #2 which means they are junk.

The dude keeps dropping that singular opinion piece which fits his narrative and nothing else and struts around like Moses showing off the Ten Commandments fresh from Mt Sinai it’s hilarious

 

[DynaLo]

Most of these surveys of "historians" have Lincoln #1 or #2 which means they are junk.

Looks like none of them have even bothered to read Lincoln’s own words or understand the things he did and the motives behind those actions.

 

[hog88]

Looks like none of them have even bothered to read Lincoln’s own words or understand the things he did and the motives behind those actions.

No they don't. If you really look into Lincoln you will find that he was an egomaniac with delusions of grandeur. He would have never left office on his own free will.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I ran some numbers this morning, given the "Darwin"/natural selection comment and after the hullabaloo last night:

In almost two years, 0.076% of the U.S. population under 65 years old has died with a diagnosis of CV19. That is 8 people per 10,000. Of them 3/4 were 50-64. Therefore, 2 people per 10,000 under 50 years old have died with CV. Should we do the under 17 group?

 

[lostsheep]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

 

[Ttucke11]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

And you're different? I could list plenty of expert opinions that you would immediately label "conspiracy theorists" if they are against the grain, when prior to March 2020 they were just another expert.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

Not discounting it just questioning it. If they are legit they can defend their work. If they get all blustery like we’ve seen on this COVID and need to just make baseless appeals to authority then it’s crap. That’s working as intended.

 

[ButchPlz]

And you're different? I could list plenty of expert opinions that you would immediately label "conspiracy theorists" if they are against the grain, when prior to March 2020 they were just another expert.

These people treat anyone that puts "expert" next to their name as a second infallible coming of Jesus Christ. They're beyond question. And if you do question, you're an insane conspiracy theorist that belongs in a camp.

It's the new religion (though cult is definitely more applicable, I think).

 

[DynaLo]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

Go do some real research on Lincoln.
He was a hardcore racist (by his own words from the Lincoln/Douglas debates), would have never freed slaves if he could have won the war without it (his own words are documented on this) started the war over lost tax revenues from the South (again his own documented words concerning European trade with the South) and took hefty dumps all over the Constitution (violations of 1A & 4A are good starting points).

 

[ButchPlz]

I ran some numbers this morning, given the "Darwin"/natural selection comment and after the hullabaloo last night:

In almost two years, 0.076% of the U.S. population under 65 years old has died with a diagnosis of CV19. That is 8 people per 10,000. Of them 3/4 were 50-64. Therefore, 2 people per 10,000 under 50 years old have died with CV. Should we do the under 17 group?

And yet the people I know that are most terrified are people in my age group (30s). Whackos.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Go do some real research on Lincoln.
He was a hardcore racist (by his own words from the Lincoln/Douglas debates), would have never freed slaves if he could have won the war without it (his own words are documented on this) started the war over lost tax revenues from the South (again his own documented words concerning European trade with the South) and took hefty dumps all over the Constitution (violations of 1A & 4A are good starting points).

Lincoln was the original “send the back to Africa “ white supremacy advocate. As you have said….his words

 

[hog88]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

Would you believe list of the best doctors written by doctors where the #1 doctor had almost a million of his patients die?

 

[hog88]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.

I'd like to know what metrics or methods were used to place Lincoln at #1 and FDR at #3.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Would you believe list of the best doctors written by doctors where the #1 doctor had almost a million of his patients die?

And they died by a direct result of the “proscribed therapy”. The doctor wasn’t trying to cure them he set out to kill them.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'd like to know what metrics or methods were used to place Lincoln at #1 and FDR at #3.

It doesn’t matter it’s just another popularity poll.

 

[lostsheep]

The point of the survey is which president historians consider to be the best…not which president was a perfect human being.

Again, you guys take something a respected group of professionals conclude and attempt to discount it by moving the goalposts.

 

[AshG]

Would you believe list of the best doctors written by doctors where the #1 doctor had almost a million of his patients die?

Sounds like you've been listening to Dr Death, Season 3.

 

[hog88]

These people treat anyone that puts "expert" next to their name as a second infallible coming of Jesus Christ. They're beyond question. And if you do question, you're an insane conspiracy theorist that belongs in a camp.

It's the new religion (though cult is definitely more applicable, I think).

I'm dealing with a purchasing guy on renewing a contract with a client and his email signature is John Smith, MBA. Wanna guess what it's like working with that guy?

 

[ButchPlz]

I'm dealing with a purchasing guy on renewing a contract with a client and his email signature is John Smith, MBA. Wanna guess what it's like working with that guy?

I tend to avoid people that throw all their little abbreviations behind their name. They're usually totally worthless at work.

 

[hog88]

The point of the survey is which president historians consider to be the best…not which president was a perfect human being.

Again, you guys take something a respected group of professionals conclude and attempt to discount it by moving the goalposts.

What's the qualifications to be a "historian"? What scientific or unbiased methods are they using to make the determination?

 

[hog88]

I tend to avoid people that throw all their little abbreviations behind their name. They're usually totally worthless at work.

But he's an expert.

 

[ButchPlz]

What's the qualifications to be a "historian"? What scientific or unbiased methods are they using to make the determination?

And who is doing the respecting?

I've been around enough of these "professional" groups to know that anyone that doesn't go along with whatever their political agenda (note: not necessarily Dem/Rep politics but internal politics as well) gets excluded. The opinion of a random group of people means nothing to me.

 

[ButchPlz]

But he's an expert.

As an experienced project manager I'm an expert on experts, so who wins?

 

[DynaLo]

The point of the survey is which president historians consider to be the best…not which president was a perfect human being.

Again, you guys take something a respected group of professionals conclude and attempt to discount it by moving the goalposts.

No, we’re merely discounting garbage produced by people that use some fabricated grading metric to produce results that don’t even come close to meshing with reality.
He won the war and freed the slaves are surface garbage metrics and should never be used in any ranking of Presidents. If that was given any consideration in that ranking is just lends proof to the garbage that it is.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There’s a recurring theme with most of you…”if a professional in a field says something, immediately discount it.”
That’s a scary place for a society to be.