Vaccine or not?

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Interesting though
Most Drs are telling people to take high doses of Vit C and Zink with the ivermectin. In a separate study the VitC and Zink out preformed placebo significantly where ivermectin doesn’t without the C and Zink.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
He should probably do a study.
If it worked he’d be both rich and famous.
I wonder why he doesn’t?
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He's probably too busy in his practice. I posted before that he stopped taking patients this fall. I think 88-0 is a decent enough data sample size if anyone else with time was interested.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There is a narrative that they have to maintain, slice. You are not going to get any honest data from western sources regarding Ivermectin.
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A study in Egypt [50] reported significant improvement in clinical recovery and mortality following treatment with ivermectin and has been cited in multiple meta-analyses. However, on July 15, 2021, the Elgazzar et al. paper was retracted from the preprint server ResearchSquare due to “ethical concerns.” There was evidence reported showing that instances of plagiarism and serious data inconsistencies were discovered in their paper. The most significant flaw detected was that the data for ~79 participants were nearly identical to the data of other participants. These concerns resulted in the exclusion of the Elgazzar paper from this meta-analysis.

Similarly, a published study conducted in Lebanon by Raad et al [51], which reported significant effects of ivermectin on hospitalisation and viral load is currently being investigated. An analysis of their raw database suggested that data for multiple participants were duplicates. As a result of these inconsistencies, the Raad study was also excluded from this meta-analysis.
 
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Septic said:
geezus. Either you're trolling or severely developmentally delayed.

Those deaths were not attributed to damn vaccine you goof.

Do you even read?
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Those were reported Covid vaccine deaths. If Covid caused their death or not is a separate question, just the idea of how many people of those reported to have died of Covid actually died due to Covid.

But it’s impossible to have an honest conversation with you about that if you refuse to be honest about the number of reported deaths
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Interesting though
Most Drs are telling people to take high doses of Vit C and Zink with the ivermectin. In a separate study the VitC and Zink out preformed placebo significantly where ivermectin doesn’t without the C and Zink.
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Yes, Ivermectin works better with zinc, but doesn't mean it is necessarily non-effective without it in most people.

I'm not sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying zinc and vitamin c (and I would add vitamin d) are better options?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, Ivermectin works better with zinc, but doesn't mean it is necessarily non-effective without it in most people.

I'm not sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying zinc and vitamin c (and I would add vitamin d) are better options?
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Ivermectin by itself has no significant difference with placebo vs Covid.
Zinc and C outperform placebo.

You can take the ivermectin if you want. It isn’t likely to harm you but it’s not proven to help you.

I wish it did. We need all the help we can get
 
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Vol8188 said:
Those were reported Covid vaccine deaths. If Covid caused their death or not is a separate question, just the idea of how many people of those reported to have died of Covid actually died due to Covid.

But it’s impossible to have an honest conversation with you about that if you refuse to be honest about the number of reported deaths
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For the love of god.

They were reported deaths from those that had the vaccine, for all manners of death. This is fundamentally different from your assertion that 20k died from the vaccine.

If a guy was vaccinated and got hit by a bus, he was one of the 14k that was reported by VAERS, it literally states that the numbers included EVERYONE that died under the section title "Reporting Even Unrelated Deaths."

It's astonishing that you can't reconcile this singular point after being hand held to the finish line.

I refuse to believe anyone's reading comprehension is this absurdly poor.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Double Blind study with all methodology available for review.
That’s as tight as it gets
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Yeah, no incentive to report anything positive about it in the west.

I think even you and the cynics would have to agree that it isn't as dangerous as it was made out to be this summer with all of the horse de-wormer propaganda and fake hospital rooms and gunshot victim stories. So it is safe enough to where it wouldn't hurt to offer it if the patient wants to take it.
 
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Septic said:
For the love of god.

They were reported deaths from those that had the vaccine, for all manners of death. This is fundamentally different from your assertion that 20k died from the vaccine.

If a guy was vaccinated and got hit by a bus, he was one of the 14k that was reported by VAERS, it literally states that the numbers included EVERYONE that died under the section title "Reporting Even Unrelated Deaths."

It's astonishing that you can't reconcile this singular point after being hand held to the finish line.

I refuse to believe anyone's reading comprehension is this absurdly poor.
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The problem is the number of posters who are working backwards from their desired endpoint and shoehorning the data to fit that end. You cannot change the mind of someone who has committed to a specific end in advance of being provided evidence to any end.

I could probably list the crew that's about to drop in and say "But that's what you do!" about my assertion.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, no incentive to report anything positive about it in the west.

I think even you and the cynics would have to agree that it isn't as dangerous as it was made out to be this summer with all of the horse de-wormer propaganda and fake hospital rooms and gunshot victim stories. So it is safe enough to where it wouldn't hurt to offer it if the patient wants to take it.
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You think the conspiracy is so pervasive in the west that multiple peer reviewed studies would be cooked, just to throw shade on a medication that works?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, no incentive to report anything positive about it in the west.

I think even you and the cynics would have to agree that it isn't as dangerous as it was made out to be this summer with all of the horse de-wormer propaganda and fake hospital rooms and gunshot victim stories. So it is safe enough to where it wouldn't hurt to offer it if the patient wants to take it.
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I’ve never argued it was dangerous. I’ve consistently said you should be allowed to take it if you want. it remains unproven. That’s my only point. just like Plaquenil I wish it worked.
 
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AshG said:
The problem is the number of posters who are working backwards from their desired endpoint and shoehorning the data to fit that end. You cannot change the mind of someone who has committed to a specific end in advance of being provided evidence to any end.

I could probably list the crew that's about to drop in and say "But that's what you do!" about my assertion.
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Hell, I'm not even saying the 20k he asserts is wrong - I've simply asked him to show me.

He can't do it, save for a couple of kooky websites that are so dubious it'd make the Qanon thread guy blush.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve never argued it was dangerous. I’ve consistently said you should be allowed to take it if you want. it remains unproven. That’s my only point. just like Plaquenil I wish it worked.
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Its funny you mention that because for some reason, one of the sickest people I know has been able to dodge COVID this entire time and they are prescribed Plaquenil. Could be coincidence maybe... but I know they have a weakened immune system and have other comorbidities. If they manage to make it past this winter, it might be something to it.
 
#15,625
#15,625
You want ivermectin? Ask your doctor. You want HCQ? Ask your doctor. Your doctor says no? Go shopping for one who says yes.

If your doctor says no, that simply means they won't prescribe it. Not that they're morons, or bought and sold by Big Pharma (which does exist and can suck a big fat diesel tailpipe during the exhaust phase), or some other anger-laced epithet. It just means they won't prescribe it. Move on.

Don't be like the families of hospital patients dictating that nurses and doctors will prescribe specific treatments. Doctors and hospitals aren't Starbucks or Burger King.
 
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