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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Ehh I actually think it gives the smaller schools a better chance. A lot of small schools have people who own business and can structure NIL deals that way, because they don’t want to “hide” their money with bagmen etc.

The big universities had the whole bagman thing going and it gave them an advantage over smaller schools. NIL actually levels the playing field IMO.
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As I said, the rich will get richer. They may not be traditional powers, but it will be the richest who can simply buy a team. It changes the playing field, but it absolutely doesn't level it.
 
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99Vol said:
FU was better than their record. Not a bad team. Mehlen lost that team as he seemed to lose interest. We were in the infant stages of implementing at that time, and HH had not hit his stride. If Hype saw in preseason what he saw from Milton in the first few games, it’s also a different game, but he didn’t…
but yeah, any time we lose to FU it’s a real negative.
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100%

But also...consider variance. Maybe we didn't have a BIG win - but consider how absurdly close/screwed we were to have lost to both the ACC champ Pitt and Top 10 Ole Miss. We very well could have beaten either or both if not for some atrocious calls or one of a few dozen other razor thin plays.

Js...we were as good as having 2 big wins. They didn't finish that way, but being process-oriented, not results-oriented, those games were indicative of a HC that can bring big wins.
 
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UTProf said:
Sure there is. On the hiring of Pruitt you act like we had choices and that Fulmer didn't walk into a search that had already hired one person and begun interviewing replacements after our very public protest of aforementioned first hire made national headlines and sent the AD into a tailspin. To say that options were limited would be the understatement of the year. Fulmer was hired to stop the bleeding which he immediately did by 1. recruiting and 2. becoming a symbol for fans to rally behind during a fragile time. The latter was his only real job the entire time. Folks forget that Fulmer's hiring as AD was meant to be temporary -- his job was to rally the troops and stabilize things which he did to a large degree. But he was never a normal AD nor was he hired to be. Fulmer was a public face and advocate for UT Sports but not the guy writing contracts and running day to day budgets (those go to vice-ADs and others anyway).

Regarding Barnes... Almost? Really, you're going with almost? Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. You can't possibly blame Fulmer for Barnes considering one the best jobs in his field when that job is ALSO offering a giant paycheck. Even so, gotta credit Fulmer with the win since Barnes stayed. Surely that mitigates an almost.

Regarding Holly... Not sure what the issue was here. Holly wasn't cutting it but she wasn't as awful as we portray either - Elite 8, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Elite 8, Second Rd, Second Rd, and 1st Rd. Not good enough for the LV program but until the last few seasons not quite enough to simply cut her either. At any rate, he inherited Holly during the 2017-18 season. He was hired in December of 2017 so there was no way she was getting fired during the disaster we had on our hands when he was hired. He fired her after the 2018-2019 season. That's called doing his job pretty damned well despite the fact that Holly was a friend.

The big criticism that sticks to Phil as AD imo is the fact that he didn't distance himself from Pruitt. He's not at fault for hiring him given the circumstances but he is at fault for wanting to give him another year. I think Fulmer's own treatment by the AD blinded him when it came to Pruitt. He didn't think Pruitt would be fired (and that **** was being signaled to him by the guys who pay the buyouts and pay the next contract until the very end when something changed and it had to be a bit more than the initial NCAA stuff because that was blown off at first) and he didn't want to give Pruitt a final year with an AD that was setting him up to fail.

I think you have to grade the job taking into account that Fulmer was an interim whose main job was simply to be him in public, raise money, and calm the immediate whirlwind that had been unleashed post-Schiano. That we couldn't get our ish together long enough to replace him before Pruitt needed to be fired is on us. Fulmer was never going to make the next hire anyway and everyone (including him) knew that but we drug our heels because we couldn't find a candidate everyone could agree on without starting yet another internal war until Danny White came along.
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Excellent post. Well laid out for those who wish to rewrite history.
 
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vols 30 said:
It won't bother you if Hooker does the same thing this time next year?
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Nope. Just like it doesn't bother me now that AT is not paying this year.

If we playing in the playoffs then I get it, but if Hooker decides to prepare for the draft and prevent a chance of injury in the Hail Mary Bowl that gets us to 8 wins then no. I understand why the player is doing it.
 
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Devo182 said:
100%

But also...consider variance. Maybe we didn't have a BIG win - but consider how absurdly close/screwed we were to have lost to both the ACC champ Pitt and Top 10 Ole Miss. We very well could have beaten either or both if not for some atrocious calls or one of a few dozen other razor thin plays.

Js...we were as good as having 2 big wins. They didn't finish that way, but being process-oriented, not results-oriented, those games were indicative of a HC that can bring big wins.
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Agreed. Was in no way a knock on Hype about Milton. He looks so much better in practice. Had to vet it out and we are better for it.
 
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drylo said:
Take away Burden and how scared are you of Mizzou’s class? Now name a team that went from trash to good because of one WR…
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Not sure what the focus on Mizzou is about and it's not about being scared, just evaluating. To answer your question, even if you take away their best player, they have an 89.9 average. High quality, solid class. Especially for them. I really don't care about em, so I say good for them. Better than UF or even USCjr getting a good class imo.

Not sure I'd call em trash either...they did make a bowl game lol. Nuance is ok
 
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SweetasSoda said:
This is in response to 99vol. Not sure why it’s not showing...

When 1 player does not play in his bowl because he does not want to take a chance of getting hurt because the bowl and a win for his teammates is secondary.... That’s what is happening more and more every year especially since the playoffs were started. It is now about what is best for the individual ($) and not what is best for the team.
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Sigh, makes me miss the BCS or just the AP and Coaches’ poll consensus. I’ll admit I wanted a playoff, but in hindsight, I was wrong. When I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it. I was wrong. I agree with @SSVol, in what he posted today.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Dude did as much for that Georgia defense as the GA who holds Kirby’s jock strap all game. Him leaving does literally nothing to Georgia’s defense or future success.
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😂

What is it that Kirby supposedly did or does besides installing the Alabama bag game on a grand scale and with a blind eye turned by the Birmingham office? I don't notice anything else.
 
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Devo182 said:
Here's the rub:

1) To be accurate, Hype had the #1 class in 2019.

2) Far more importantly, in those 3 years, Hype also had 12 P5 scholarship transfers that didn't count towards scores. Cincy, in the same period, had 7.

To say it easily, he brought in the best overall classes in his league while he was there. The level of transfers he brought in simply put his classes over the top.
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I put on the post Average player rating from the composite. No question he did pretty well overall not phenomenal but definitely well enough to compete in which I don’t understand why people think he sucks as a recruiter
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
Sigh, makes me miss the BCS or just the AP and Coaches’ poll consensus. I’ll admit I wanted a playoff, but in hindsight, I was wrong. When I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it. I was wrong. I agree with @SSVol, in what he posted today.
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This could be why other posters keep mistaking you as being male. All the women I know are always right, even if they're wrong.
 
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