Haslam NIL deals ?

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Texas is showing the way with "Horns for Hearts" or whatever it is. The boosters pour money into an organization and that organization does the NIL deals.

You have to check your ego at the door and that's been the problem at UT, I think.

Every UT donor wants to have the biggest d**k in the room and what that's done historically is make them all look like big d**ks and nothing positive has developed for the last 2 decades.

Hopefully Danny White can handle the egos and nudge the donors to organize together.
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I keep forgetting all the oil well money here in Tennessee - and then there's Silicone Valley - it's in East Tennessee right.

Tennessee doesn't have a legion of big donors - we do have a legion of the miserable - maybe that's where the confusion lies.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Texas is showing the way to buy players - amateur athletics is a myth at least at Texas - who here will say that 10 linemen at Texas each have an NIL value of $100,000 annually.
It got them the best offensive line class in the country - but their real NIL value is closer to $5000 - $10,000 yr. I have also seen the image and likeness of a lot of offensive linemen -
yikes - typically not male models.

This may be the most flawed system ever in sports - perhaps the early MLB years when you had the Yankees and then everyone else. Let's say I am a o-lineman in Texas and at

Texas Tech I get a scholarship and 0
Baylor I get a scholarship and 0
Houston scholarship and 0
Texas scholarship and $100,000 annually
Kansas scholarship and 0
Kansas State scholarship and 0
Iowa State scholarship and 0
Oklahoma State scholarship and 0
West Virginia scholarship and 0
TCU scholarship and 0

Does that look like a fair playing field?

Just plug us in instead of Iowa State since Texas is moving to the SEC.
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Wait just a minute. It's unlevel because other schools didn't use the sanctioned opportunities that are there.

You're not actually blaming Texas for using an opportunity all the schools could've used, are you?
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I keep forgetting all the oil well money here in Tennessee - and then there's Silicone Valley - it's in East Tennessee right.

Tennessee doesn't have a legion of big donors - we do have a legion of the miserable - maybe that's where the confusion lies.
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I don't understand your problem. Are you one of those people who believes Alabama..... a very poor state..... has been able to buy players for many, many decades and TN can't compete?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Wait just a minute. It's unlevel because other schools didn't use the sanctioned opportunities that are there.

You're not actually blaming Texas for using an opportunity all the schools could've used, are you?
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Do you know what the word sanctioned means? Pretty sure that's not the word you were searching for. Which may explain why you don't understand that it is a flawed uneven playing field.
There is no one out there that can compete with Texas alumni and their resources - most of the schools will never even come close. You are basically saying little farm towns and their farmers -
need to fund/donate to a level equivalent to Texas.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't understand your problem. Are you one of those people who believes Alabama..... a very poor state..... has been able to buy players for many, many decades and TN can't compete?
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Tennessee will never compete with Texas for ( top 5 star ) players, if they are paying $100,000 annually to their players. There is an 85 player limit - and we will be able to recruit a level below the linemen that Texas and probably Texas A & M are getting.
We can't compete with Alabama for qb talent if they are receiving $1 M at Alabama. We have to recruit a layer or two below Bama for qb talent. It is the new reality.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Do you know what the word sanctioned means? Pretty sure that's not the word you were searching for. Which may explain why you don't understand that it is a flawed uneven playing field.
There is no one out there that can compete with Texas alumni and their resources - most of the schools will never even come close. You are basically saying little farm towns and their farmers -
need to fund/donate to a level equivalent to Texas.
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Sanctioned:
give official permission or approval for (an action).
"only two treatments have been sanctioned by the Food and Drug Administration"

So you're someone who believes America would be best if all schools were exactly equal, had exactly the same facilities, exactly cloned coaches, etc.

Newsflash: Reality called. The world isn't going to be equal. Whining that you can't compete because someone else has a better glove or nicer basketball court is childish.
 
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We didn't beat Alabama, Georgia, A & M before when NIL wasn't in place .. so some things never change .. so deal with it like always .
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't understand your problem. Are you one of those people who believes Alabama..... a very poor state..... has been able to buy players for many, many decades and TN can't compete?
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I do believe Alabama buys players, but they do a great job recruiting them as well. It is a cottage industry down there.
They are also well coached - but historically they have been much deeper and more talented because of their ability to stockpile 5 star recruits.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Tennessee will never compete with Texas for ( top 5 star ) players, if they are paying $100,000 annually to their players. There is an 85 player limit - and we will be able to recruit a level below the linemen that Texas and probably Texas A & M are getting.
We can't compete with Alabama for qb talent if they are receiving $1 M at Alabama. We have to recruit a layer or two below Bama for qb talent. It is the new reality.
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Yes. It's reality that there's competition and things have changed. Boo hoo...... let's clutch our pearls like church ladies and moan that life's unfair.

Or perhaps lets be men and learn to adapt with the times.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I do believe Alabama buys players, but they do a great job recruiting them as well. It is a cottage industry down there.
They are also well coached - but historically they have been much deeper and more talented because of their ability to stockpile 5 star recruits.
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Bama was a sanctioned (hey look, an English word can have two meanings! Who knew?) dumpster fire and rose back up.

We had the advantage and lost it. It isn't just money it's adaptation and coaching, as you said. Bama got the depth by buying the depth. The money came from somewhere.
 
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jlbvols said:
Yes and no. The Haslams or any booster could tell Danny White we aren’t going to donate as much money or possibly no money directly to UT or the athletic department. We are going to give or invest in players to bring UT to the top of college football.

What this means is AD’s will lose control of their funding. Players now care about money instead of fancy locker rooms, practice fields etc. Schools and the NCAA need to figure out a way to bring the NIL deals in house before college football is ruined and players future careers by shady NIL deals.

Or just breakaway from the NCAA hire a commissioner, pay the kids a salary, have them sign a contract, and hold a draft. Just like any professional league. That is the best option to level the playing field. If Saban sticks around that long we will probably see he is not the GOAT in college football. Just another good coach that stole a lot championships by being the highest bidder for players while his buddies Emmert, Slive, and Sankey protected him.
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I think this is exactly what the SEC will eventually do. Break away from everyone and run their own league. They do not need the other conferences to survive. This is why I think that conference alliance the ACC, Big 10, and PAC 12 started is a huge mistake on their part. I don’t think they truly realize that if the SEC walks, those conferences are not relevant.
 
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VolPack22 said:
I think this is exactly what the SEC will eventually do. Break away from everyone and run their own league. They do not need the other conferences to survive. This is why I think that conference alliance the ACC, Big 10, and PAC 12 started is a huge mistake on their part. I don’t think they truly realize that if the SEC walks, those conferences are not relevant.
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This is the best course. The SEC and B1G have huge TV resources. Pick and choose who we want, form a super and (I know people hate it) pro league and move away from "amateur college football."

I know, I know..... tradition. The rest of the NCAA is just dragging the elite teams down. Let them go.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sanctioned:
give official permission or approval for (an action).
"only two treatments have been sanctioned by the Food and Drug Administration"

So you're someone who believes America would be best if all schools were exactly equal, had exactly the same facilities, exactly cloned coaches, etc.

Newsflash: Reality called. The world isn't going to be equal. Whining that you can't compete because someone else has a better glove or nicer basketball court is childish.
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I have been on teams that beat Florida, Georgia and Alabama - it's no big deal to me - but you have Texas playing Kansas - Alabama playing Mississippi State, Ohio State playing Purdue --
it's already stacked against the little guys - I don't want to see it so stacked that the games become no fun to watch because there is no competition.

Why would I want to create an additional competitive advantage for Alabama, Texas, Southern Cal, Ohio State?
There is a reason that the salary caps, and drafts were structured the way they were in professional sports. All are built around a premise of fairness to all the teams. The small market teams and the big market teams.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I have been on teams that beat Florida, Georgia and Alabama - it's no big deal to me - but you have Texas playing Kansas - Alabama playing Mississippi State, Ohio State playing Purdue --
it's already stacked against the little guys - I don't want to see it so stacked that the games become no fun to watch because there is no competition.

Why would I want to create an additional competitive advantage for Alabama, Texas, Southern Cal, Ohio State?
There is a reason that the salary caps, and drafts were structured the way they were in professional sports. All are built around a premise of fairness to all the teams. The small market teams and the big market teams.
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Yes. That's why college football needs to move to a pro model and drop the student athlete BS.

As pros, caps and salary negotiations and drafts and some parity can be attempted. I agree.

As long as we hold to the "they are amateurs and students" crap........ the rich will buy without stopping.

Adapt means change. The change is going to have to be driven by the SEC and B1G who have revenue from TV deals. If the SEC is smart, they'll start the ball rolling because you're exactly correct...... aTm and Texas will outspend most, if not all, teams the way things are setup now.

Adapt. Don't whine. Adapt.
 
#41
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yes. It's reality that there's competition and things have changed. Boo hoo...... let's clutch our pearls like church ladies and moan that life's unfair.

Or perhaps lets be men and learn to adapt with the times.
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If you are sitting on $1 M annually that you are wanting to donate to recruit linemen, let's roll. It's pretty easy to say " let's just do what Texas is doing. "
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I have been on teams that beat Florida, Georgia and Alabama - it's no big deal to me - but you have Texas playing Kansas - Alabama playing Mississippi State, Ohio State playing Purdue --
it's already stacked against the little guys - I don't want to see it so stacked that the games become no fun to watch because there is no competition.

Why would I want to create an additional competitive advantage for Alabama, Texas, Southern Cal, Ohio State?
There is a reason that the salary caps, and drafts were structured the way they were in professional sports. All are built around a premise of fairness to all the teams. The small market teams and the big market teams.
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Perhaps you're under the impression the NCAA WANTED NIL. They lost in court but they'd lost control, essentially, of spending years ago. Didn't Cam get $100k back when? Wasn't Will Wade on the phone offering mega bucks? Didn't Reggie Bush get ?300k?

It's not like this ruse has been fooling anyone.

It's in the open now. At least even the "clean" programs CAN try to compete but it's been broken forever.

Changing it and adapting to accept professional status is the way.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
If you are sitting on $1 M annually that you are wanting to donate to recruit linemen, let's roll. It's pretty easy to say " let's just do what Texas is doing. "
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I'm not ridiculously wealthy. I actually need a ROI that isn't ego driven on my investments.

Good for them in TX, though, who can live without the ROI on 7 figure donations.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm not ridiculously wealthy. I actually need a ROI that isn't ego driven on my investments.

Good for them in TX, though, who can live without the ROI on 7 figure donations.
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Texas has sent a lot of people to the NFL and they have oil money, and the largest endowment in the US if I am not mistaken -

It says a lot about our rich donors - when all anyone can ever come up with is the Haslams. I am sure Senior was a big donor back in the 70's and 80's, maybe the 90's - but I am never going
to suggest how you or anyone else needs to spend your or their money or use your or their resources.

I do applaud Sr. and his wife for coming to all most every basketball game. I am guessing he has to be approaching 90 if he isn't already. Hope I am an equally active fan at his age.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Texas has sent a lot of people to the NFL and they have oil money, and the largest endowment in the US if I am not mistaken -

It says a lot about our rich donors - when all anyone can ever come up with is the Haslams. I am sure Senior was a big donor back in the 70's and 80's, maybe the 90's - but I am never going
to suggest how you or anyone else needs to spend your or their money or use your or their resources.

I do applaud Sr. and his wife for coming to all most every basketball game. I am guessing he has to be approaching 90 if he isn't already. Hope I am an equally active fan at his age.
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TX and aTm have the biggest public school endowments.

I've no problem either with Haslams or Thunder or whoever gives what to UT generously from deep pockets. Good for them in whatever they do.

And you and I agree that the system is badly broken but there's no going back. The courts may very well call athletes employees of the university. At that point, it's over...... they are pros. The schools and NCAA wanted none of this but they got sued into it and that's where we are.

It reminds me of the old maps that show uncharted oceans and simply say: There be dragons here.
 
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VolPack22 said:
I think this is exactly what the SEC will eventually do. Break away from everyone and run their own league. They do not need the other conferences to survive. This is why I think that conference alliance the ACC, Big 10, and PAC 12 started is a huge mistake on their part. I don’t think they truly realize that if the SEC walks, those conferences are not relevant.
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I’ve been saying this for a while and have been told I was crazy. The SEC is not going to stop with adding Texas and Oklahoma. Eventually the SEC will be a small scale NFL, complete with its own playoff and champion. The only problem, if you finish last in the “league”, you won’t have first pick of recruits like in the NFL, you’ll just probably be relegated to the bottom of the league and just be happy with the money pouring in. College football is drastically changing and doing so at warp speed. Where it ends, I have no idea? Will we(Tennessee) be able to keep up? I have no idea.
GBO!!
 
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Forever151 said:
So I been thinking about this and I want to know everyone’s opinion . Could NIL deals possibly give the Haslam family even more control over the university ?
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I love how there is so many posts bashing the Haslam family. None of these people have any inside info as to how much influence they really have. They just see their name on many buildings on campus they funded, and parrot other knownothings.
 
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Give it a few years and the playing field will completely change. Sure the same teams got the top classes this year but wait til next year when those 5* players sat and watch how many transfer. It’ll happen the same for a couple more years til kids start looking for the best playing opportunities instead of the loaded teams once they realize the best chance at big NIL deals will come with playing time and being seen.
 
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