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#110,851
Sea Ray said:
Did you read what's in that link? It said this:



Was that your intention? The headline gives the opposite impression
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It actually slips into the discussion that they didn’t see any difference in counties with mask mandates. But that didn’t make the abstract or conclusions 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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#110,853
newyorkvol said:
COVID-19 Incidence and hospitalization during the delta surge were inversely related to vaccination coverage among the most populous U.S. Counties - ScienceDirect
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That's a bit slanted. With Only 2 weeks study time.

First, the specific august dates was when the south was getting hit hard. Typically less vaxxed. So of course it looks bad. Why not compare the peaks instead of specific dates? Or a whole wave?

Second, two weeks has been the standard lull between case to hospital, and hosPital to death that we have seen. Seems like this snapshot wouldnt give a clear ratio of cases to hospitalizations to deaths. And it plays back into my first point. If you catch an area after peak cases they may still be in peak hospitalizations, and not yet reached peak deaths. So again catching the north and west in lows for all would slant the rates.
 
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#110,854
To answer the question of “why” I’ve been seeing. I’ll say once more, money, money, money.

The FDA Commissioner has the authority to allow unapproved medical products (the jabs) to be used in an emergency (EUA) when there are no adequate or approved alternatives.

They couldn’t roll out the jabs under the Emergency Use Authorization with adequate treatment alternatives being available and administered with successful outcomes.
Those treatment options and the medical professionals successfully using them required widespread corporate/gov shills to loudly and publicly fear monger, ridicule and demonize any alternative treatments.
It’s also why we continue to see it happening in order to maintain the jabs EUA status. Big Pharma should lose it’s liability protections once the jabs become FDA approved unless those federal rules get changed during this clusterduck.

The question that should be getting asked is “exactly who and how many people that were/are involved in this whole warp speed jabs planning and process bought these Big Pharma stocks in the very early stages of it all?”🤔
 
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LouderVol said:
That's a bit slanted. With Only 2 weeks study time.

First, the specific august dates was when the south was getting hit hard. Typically less vaxxed. So of course it looks bad. Why not compare the peaks instead of specific dates? Or a whole wave?

Second, two weeks has been the standard lull between case to hospital, and hosPital to death that we have seen. Seems like this snapshot wouldnt give a clear ratio of cases to hospitalizations to deaths. And it plays back into my first point. If you catch an area after peak cases they may still be in peak hospitalizations, and not yet reached peak deaths. So again catching the north and west in lows for all would slant the rates.
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I agree timing is a short coming. Although they did measure deaths for the month after the two week collection time to account for this. I do think it further confirms that vaccines will not eradicate the disease in the traditional sense, but that they are effective in reducing disease severity and death (a therapeutic or preventive if calling it a vaccine doesn’t work).

I’m more confused by why more isn’t explained about the finding that although hospitalizations/100k population was significantly lower in vaccine group, hospitalizations/100 cases was not significantly different. Because real world observations do not support that.
 
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#110,857
newyorkvol said:
I agree timing is a short coming. Although they did measure deaths for the month after the two week collection time to account for this. I do think it further confirms that vaccines will not eradicate the disease in the traditional sense, but that they are effective in reducing disease severity and death (a therapeutic or preventive if calling it a vaccine doesn’t work).

I’m more confused by why more isn’t explained about the finding that although hospitalizations/100k population was significantly lower in vaccine group, hospitalizations/100 cases was not significantly different. Because real world observations do not support that.
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I would think it's due to the two week thing. And continuing the counting of deaths seems strange too.

All in all it seems like they picked data points they knew would favor their stance.
 
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#110,859
Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID

Best quote:
I am always tempted to ask the people who breathlessly quote what various public-health authorities are now saying about masking and boosters whether they know how the National Institutes of Health defines a “problem drinker”? The answer is a woman who has more than one “unit” of alcohol a day, i.e., my wife and nearly all of my female friends. These same authorities, if asked, would probably say that considerable risks are associated with eating crudos or kibbeh nayyeh, or taking Tylenol after a hangover. (This is to say nothing of cannabis, which is of course still banned at the federal level.) My point is that sophisticated adults are generally capable of winking at overly stringent guidelines. In the case of COVID, many are not.
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allvol123 said:
CDC recommends all sexually active people get tested yearly for STDs.
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It's also the same reason why Michelin recommends you examine your tires before each time you drive your car. If you look at them all the time, the more likely you are to think you notice something wrong, potentially take it in to get looked at by someone else, potentially spend more money. It is in the interest of a tire company to have you thinking about tires more often, just like it is in the interest of a public health official to have you thinking about a virus all the time. Your broker wants you thinking about the stock market all the time for the same reason.

They have a lot to potentially gain by you always looking to them for guidance.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's also the same reason why Michelin recommends you examine your tires before each time you drive your car. If you look at them all the time, the more likely you are to think you notice something wrong, potentially take it in to get looked at by someone else, potentially spend more money. It is in the interest of a tire company to have you thinking about tires more often, just like it is in the interest of a public health official to have you thinking about a virus all the time.

They have a lot to potentially gain by you always looking to them for guidance.
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The absurdity that people all over the world suddenly viewed state run health organizations as the gold standard, almost seems fictional. Unfortunately it wasn’t.
 
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allvol123 said:
The absurdity that people all over the world suddenly viewed state run health organizations as the gold standard, almost seems fictional. Unfortunately it wasn’t.
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Scared people do things they otherwise would not have if they weren't scared. If the CDC had a symposium in 2015 about a pandemic, there'd be crickets. In the middle of a pandemic, people get scared, and totally defer to experts.
 
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allvol123 said:
The mobs are fearful, that is for sure.
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...and they are especially fearful in response to new risks. People flout risks that they are familiar with all the time, sometimes recklessly. For example, you can describe the risks of driving a car in really scary sounding terms (e.g., in 2020, 4 people died in a car accident every hour). Is that fact going to discourage anyone from driving?

EDIT: corrected my math. It's 4 people each hour, not a person every 4 minutes.
 
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#110,868
05_never_again said:
Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID

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Most of Oklahoma has moved back to "normal" these days. The big box stores still have mask mandates, but a lot of the smaller businesses have made it optional.

To me, I think the majority of the country is over it. The only ones still benefiting from strict guidelines are the big cities where politicians are making up rules as they go and the CDC & NIH that depends on funding...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Most of Oklahoma has moved back to "normal" these days. The big box stores still have mask mandates, but a lot of the smaller businesses have made it optional.

To me, I think the majority of the country is over it. The only ones still benefiting from strict guidelines are the big cities where politicians are making up rules as they go and the CDC & NIH that depends on funding...
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That's his point. Outside of a few major metro areas, people stopped letting COVID control their lives in the summer of 2020.
 
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#110,870
05_never_again said:
That's his point. Outside of a few major metro areas, people stopped letting COVID control their lives in the summer of 2020.
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I think it took a little longer honestly. More like spring of this year and when the Delta variant didn't turn out to be world ending. And the two subsequent variants...

People, generally speaking, are now treating Fauci as a laughingstock. The only people that still listen to him are the same ones thinking Biden is doing a great job. It's sad too because if (when) we get some really bad **** that Congress along, people won't know to take it serious because of the way he's acting as of late.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it took a little longer honestly. More like spring of this year and when the Delta variant didn't turn out to be world ending. And the two subsequent variants...

People, generally speaking, are now treating Fauci as a laughingstock. The only people that still listen to him are the same ones thinking Biden is doing a great job. It's sad too because if (when) we get some really bad **** that Congress along, people won't know to take it serious because of the way he's acting as of late.
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If some really bad **** comes along, you see it. You don’t need some government talking head to tell you. That’s probably the primary reason I never changed anything about my life with regards to Covid.
 
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