Obama having problems with his own party already?

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The congress has much more to fear. The recession probably will not be over in two years and they are not all that popular to begin with. Congress needs to be able to run against Bush one more time.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The congress has much more to fear. The recession probably will not be over in two years and they are not all that popular to begin with. Congress needs to be able to run against Bush one more time.
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I doubt the Republicans catch majorities in either house after the next elections, but they will make major gains. That is assuming they don't start running Christian Coalition lapdogs out there.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
i'll give him props if he puts pelosie and harry in their places
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While his voting record in the Senate would suggest he were as liberal as Pelosi or Reid, I have never thought he was the same type of Democrat as either one of them. Pelosi and Reid are going to be disappointed very soon and often. Obama knows he has to govern more from the center than to the left. It is the only way the country can recover both domestically and economically
 
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truefan said:
While his voting record in the Senate would suggest he were as liberal as Pelosi or Reid, I have never thought he was the same type of Democrat as either one of them. Pelosi and Reid are going to be disappointed very soon and often. Obama knows he has to govern more from the center than to the left. It is the only way the country can recover both domestically and economically
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This kind of argument simply makes no sense to me. You're trying to convince everyone that he is different than his voting record to date and that his past pet projects just weren't him.

I don't get that.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This kind of argument simply makes no sense to me. You're trying to convince everyone that he is different than his voting record to date and that his past pet projects just weren't him.

I don't get that.
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He is certainly a liberal at heart, but I think he is going to govern from a much more practical standpoint. That is going to ruffle plenty of feathers.
 
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emainvol said:
He is certainly a liberal at heart, but I think he is going to govern from a much more practical standpoint. That is going to ruffle plenty of feathers.
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Everyone hopes that is the case (whether the person leans left or right) but what evidence, from Obama, is that based on?

Until it changes his record is who he is.
 
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emainvol said:
He is certainly a liberal at heart, but I think he is going to govern from a much more practical standpoint. That is going to ruffle plenty of feathers.
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the stuff he's focused upon thus far has certainly been heavily left. The recession package is simply the New Deal with less responsibility and the Gitmo stuff is a waste of time. He's quasi closing it down.
 
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JZVOL said:
Everyone hope that is the case (whether the person leans left or right) but what evidence, from Obama, is that based on?

Until it changes his record is who he is.
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I think the fact that liberal Democrats are already pissed at him is a good indicator as to what direction he will take things. I may be wrong.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the stuff he's focused upon thus far has certainly been heavily left. The recession package is simply the New Deal with less responsibility and the Gitmo stuff is a waste of time. He's quasi closing it down.
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I don't disagree, but he has been forced to try to give the economy a shot in the arm. It is interesting that he has already changed his plans somewhat on taxes for businesses and such.
 
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emainvol said:
I don't disagree, but he has been forced to try to give the economy a shot in the arm. It is interesting that he has already changed his plans somewhat on taxes for businesses and such.
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He has said he has been "forced" and he's selling that message hard, playing off the failure of his predecessor card. We've had horrendous times before. Reagan's response was: slash gov't jobs, boost military spending, give large tax breaks and induce recession bordering on depression.

The plan change on businesses is likely to be preceded by an oval office speech about how irresponsible it would be to cut taxes at this point, especially waging my predecessor's war.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
there's no doubt in my mind that he recognized it long before he even started peddling the garbage in the primaries.
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No one will ever win an election and be able to do everything they promised. It's a necessary evil in the world of politics. Not condoning it, but it does have a lot to do with the general idiocy of the voting population.
 
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emainvol said:
No one will ever win an election and be able to do everything they promised. It's a necessary evil in the world of politics. Not condoning it, but it does have a lot to do with the general idiocy of the voting population.
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i agree, but i thought the way he was promising ppl stuff was over the top
 
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emainvol said:
No one will ever win an election and be able to do everything they promised. It's a necessary evil in the world of politics. Not condoning it, but it does have a lot to do with the general idiocy of the voting population.
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No doubt about it, but I do think he could have won this time on just a straight up message. The compilation of issues fighting against the Rs, including a sorry, non-conservative candidate, was just overwhelming.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No doubt about it, but I do think he could have won this time on just a straight up message. The compilation of issues fighting against the Rs, including a sorry, non-conservative candidate, was just overwhelming.
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Fish.

Barrel.

And then they picked Palin.
 
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