Gun control debate (merged)

[hndog609]

I thought you were pre-med

 

[Zues1]

Alec Baldwin is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree.
Although with his smug attitude he likes to pretend.
Karma is a bitch.

 

[LouderVol]

So I just heard a comment on the news that a “live round” was involved. They were implying that a cartridge with a bullet was involved but honestly the talking heads are so imprecise with their vocabulary here who knows. A blank is a damn “live round” .

Assuming the talking heads were right why the hell is bullet equipped live ammo on a damn movie set with a bunch of damn people that know nothing about firearms safety?

I wouldnt put money down on them getting much of anything right.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Alec Baldwin is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree.
Although with his smug attitude he likes to pretend.
Karma is a bitch.

Eh I’d guess he’s genuinely upset by this needless death and associated injury and probably does feel personally responsible. I’m gonna hold off dog piling on him for now. If he uses this event to grand stand on Gun control then he gets both barrels from the prop shotgun though.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I wouldnt put money down on them getting much of anything right.

It’s painful listening to nearly anything gun related in the media trying to use specific terminology

 

[Vol423]

It’s painful listening to nearly anything gun related in the media trying to use specific terminology

...or any other subject for that matter. Members of the media are DUMB!!!!

 

[Grand Vol]

Just a guy who has manufactured thousands of guns and has been interviewed by national media regarding firearms laws and legislation. What about you? Know the difference between a Form 2 and a 3310?

No offense, bruh, but you need to come up with some better bona-fides than that.

 

[Vol423]

No offense, bruh, but you need to come up with some better bona-fides than that.

Sam Elliott is not impressed.

 

[Grand Vol]

Sam Elliott is not impressed.

Hey, anyone can run their mouth behind the computer screen about things like this. Way different if they can walk the walk.

There are few people out there I tend to listen to and take their word as gospel. None I know of are hanging out on a sports message board. This person can prove me wrong if they like.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

So is Alec Baldwin a mass shooter now?

I'm not too sure on how many victims there has to be for an incident to qualify as a mass shooting.

 

[AshG]

So I just heard a comment on the news that a “live round” was involved. They were implying that a cartridge with a bullet was involved but honestly the talking heads are so imprecise with their vocabulary here who knows. A blank is a damn “live round” .

Assuming the talking heads were right why the hell is bullet equipped live ammo on a damn movie set with a bunch of damn people that know nothing about firearms safety?

Talked to one of my friends involved in production (the industry, not this movie). There is a propmaster's union that is supposed to manage the equipment. They have very strict rules regarding prop firearms and ammunition handling. Basically put, a member of the union has to be the person to hand you the gun. They must inspect it before handing it to you. It's an insurance issue. That way, if something happens, there is one person responsible and one person held liable.

"Rust" elected to not use union propmasters )I believe it's an entirely non-union production, including SAG). There were no propmasters on set at the time to examine and manage the equipment, even without union procedure. It's going to be a mess to investigate because of attempts to save some money on the front end.

 

[Zues1]

Eh I’d guess he’s genuinely upset by this needless death and associated injury and probably does feel personally responsible. I’m gonna hold off dog piling on him for now. If he uses this event to grand stand on Gun control then he gets both barrels from the prop shotgun though.

He will

 

[NorthDallas40]

Talked to one of my friends involved in production (the industry, not this movie). There is a propmaster's union that is supposed to manage the equipment. They have very strict rules regarding prop firearms and ammunition handling. Basically put, a member of the union has to be the person to hand you the gun. They must inspect it before handing it to you. It's an insurance issue. That way, if something happens, there is one person responsible and one person held liable.

"Rust" elected to not use union propmasters )I believe it's an entirely non-union production, including SAG). There were no propmasters on set at the time to examine and manage the equipment, even without union procedure. It's going to be a mess to investigate because of attempts to save some money on the front end.

Oh wow. If they didn’t use proper firearms trained equipment managers they’re gonna fry. And frankly they earned it.

I wouldn’t trust most Hollywooders with a damn water pistol much less an actual firearm blanks or no

 

[NorthDallas40]

He will

Not if what ash posted is accurate he won’t. He’ll be broke from the lawsuits and possibly a Hollywood outcast

 

[Zues1]

Not if what ash posted is accurate he won’t. He’ll be broke from the lawsuits and possibly a Hollywood outcast

Possibly, but I would not hold my breath.

 

[YankeeVol]

 

[Vol423]

Wow! If that's real, that's some serious karma right there!

 

[YankeeVol]

Wow! If that's real, that's some serious karma right there!

It’s real. And there’s more

 

[Orangeburst]

Unreal.

 

[StarRaider]

It’s real. And there’s more

and then there is this one

 

[AshG]

Oof.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.” ....

As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, two of the knowledgeable people said.

One of the producers ordered the union members to leave the set and threatened to call security to remove them if they didn’t leave voluntarily.

“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.

 

[Grand Vol]

Oof.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.” ....

As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, two of the knowledgeable people said.

One of the producers ordered the union members to leave the set and threatened to call security to remove them if they didn’t leave voluntarily.

“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.

Because unions are so great...

 

[AshG]

Because unions are so great...

These excerpts make sense in context of my earlier explanation.

 

[hndog609]

Oof.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.” ....

As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, two of the knowledgeable people said.

One of the producers ordered the union members to leave the set and threatened to call security to remove them if they didn’t leave voluntarily.

“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.

That is a narrative rife with potential liability.

 

[C-south]

It’s almost like everyone in the movie industry needs to take some sort of gun safety class.

On another note I just heard Tebow refer to Anthony Richardson as “AR 15”. Wonder how long before he has to change his name.