Pictures of Warren down on terrible spot?

[chuck0303]

No it wasn't. And it wasn't the refs and the spot. Warren was headed to the turf before the defender made contact. He didn't fight for that first down. That one is on him IMO.

Give the guy a break, the guy was falling after being tackled and he was stretching as far as he could, not a time to try to change the ball position from left hand in the gut to the right in a split-second. Besides that, TN had 3 other downs to get that 1st down.

 

[chuck0303]

All this chatter about the refs, not taking up for them, but did they make tillman miss the throw in the end zone or Milton run out of bounds on the last play instead of at least heaving it in the endzone. There were plenty of mistakes to go around. I still say IF we had had Evans healthy & able to play we would have won because I don't think Ole Miss could have stopped him all night. Such is life and we need more recruits.

 

[CINCYVOL]

That’s worse than the Zapruder film

 

[MiramarVol]

Since it was an ESPN game, that they could've put up those camera's on the cables like they do in the NFL. That would've gave a great shot of the catch and correct spot.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

THIS!!!

If people want to lose their **** over a terrible call, that is the one. No whistle, Corral is the only one who stopped playing the down.

That was a touchdown and UT is owed an explanation for why the refs decided to huddle and call his forward progress stopped when that is NOT what they did while the play unfolded.

That was a touchdown and possibly the most horrendous blown call I have ever seen in 35+ years of watching football.

I don't think Corral was stopped or had quit the play. It looked like a play fake with him ready to throw a pass when the defense hit him, stripped him of the ball, scoped and scored. That play had a bit more impact on the final outcome, in my opinion. On the long 4th down play, there were so many replays of it, from the backside, it's impossible to see the ball, from the front, it's still hard to tell where the ball is, but there is something I haven't seen any comments on; even though he was very close to the ground, Warren has not made contact with the ground and reaches the ball forward to what looked like the line to make. Anyone else see this that way?

 

[JarrettClass79]

The refs should have acknowledge that the spot was not correct. It may have not been a first down but it would have indicated a fair review and correction of a mistake. It was not an good spot. I know that would have not have made a lot of people happy but may have defused some of the fans.

 

[bamawriter]

The refs should have acknowledge that the spot was not correct. It may have not been a first down but it would have indicated a fair review and correction of a mistake. It was not an good spot. I know that would have not have made a lot of people happy but may have defused some of the fans.

Spots are only reviewable to the extent that the runner did or didn't make the line to gain. If the runner didn't get the first down, the ball stays where it was spotted.

 

[Seattle Hillbilly]

The spot was right. As right as any human being can get it.

Look, the receiver's body was sliding forward even as he fell. He was down by contact because of his right thigh brushing the ground. Even as he was moving forward. When you call him down, when that thigh pad touches grass, that's very much a judgment call. And the person who can see that thigh can NOT see the ball, on the opposite side of his body. And vice-versa.

These refs aren't omnipotent. They do like you and I do, they just do the best they can. And the spot looked about as accurate as a human being can make it without x-ray vision.

So how about we stop crying about what we WANTED and accept what actually happened on this play? We didn't successfully convert to a first down. Period.

Bravo!

 

[Jauan't Some?]

Hey why didn’t we throw the seam to the TE on third down.

 

[HwyChile]

I just watched it a few times at full speed, and he clearly got the ball over the yellow line before he hit the ground and it is not even close. All these pictures of him not making it are some very bad camera angles and even those do not clearly show anything because of the speed versus the still shot. There is no way the referee who made the call could have correctly seen the spot. Go watch it at full speed again. Even the announcer at first said first down Tennessee before the ref cam up and changed it. There are also no replays in the game that showed that he did not make it. They just made the ruling, and after the game folks are coming up with BS pictures to try to say the spot was good.

 

[A.J.]

I would think with all the money ESPN rakes in from SEC football, they could get a camera on each side of the stadium for different angles just for spot calls like that. That might take out some of the controversy on some calls.

 

[MiramarVol]

That's what I said earlier. Use those hanging cameras on the cables.

 

[Orange Raid]

It matters whether they spot it a half yard short or a full one. Yes, we still lose possession. However, one shows the ref doing his job properly and letting the chips fall where they may. The other indicates that, yet again tonight, the ref had intentionally cheated UT on the spot. Or is inept. Still maddening.

There is a difference. Stop saying their isn't.

Stop it! The refs did not cheat us in that game. Would it have been a different spot for Alabama or Georgia we will never know. We do know we were short of the line to gain and it was a turnover on downs either way. You want to blame someone, blame the o-line for holding a play or two earlier that put us in long down and distance. If it weren’t for that, we easily get the first down. Officiating the game of football is extremely difficult. Maybe everyone who is bashing the refs should try it since they are experts. They are a few who make terrible calls sometimes and should not call on the SEC level (the florida touchdown catch for a touchdown that was clearly not a catch) but everyone makes mistakes.

 

[SouthpawTN]

The spot was correct. He started falling down before anyone even hit him. Tennessee had plenty of chances to win that game and didn't capitalize. I hate blaming the refs all the time. Loser mentality.

 

[rjd970]

Stop it! The refs did not cheat us in that game. Would it have been a different spot for Alabama or Georgia we will never know. We do know we were short of the line to gain and it was a turnover on downs either way. You want to blame someone, blame the o-line for holding a play or two earlier that put us in long down and distance. If it weren’t for that, we easily get the first down. Officiating the game of football is extremely difficult. Maybe everyone who is bashing the refs should try it since they are experts. They are a few who make terrible calls sometimes and should not call on the SEC level (the florida touchdown catch for a touchdown that was clearly not a catch) but everyone makes mistakes.

Yeah we do, and if there was some way to know for sure I would make that bet all day.

I generally agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Orange Raid]

I have seen the Alabama bias and I know it happens but I would not go so far as too say it is always intentional. Calling holding on our right tackle on a play going around the left end come to mind. That is hardly ever called and isn’t generally called against Alabama but it will be called against us especially if we are playing Alabama. You get into the spirit of the rule because not everything is black and white. But yeah it seems we get hosed a lot more than Bama and Georgia.

 

[joshwa]

Why is there a shadow underneath him? Maybe because he wasn't down yet. Bullshi call. I can hear you better than thou's now 'oh, but his knee was down his knee was down! ' Give me a break! Bad spot, bad call. Especially in our own house!

 

[Orange Raid]

Why is there a shadow underneath him? Maybe because he wasn't down yet. Bullshi call. I can hear you better than thou's now 'oh, but his knee was down his knee was down! ' Give me a break! Bad spot, bad call. Especially in our own house!

Yeah you’re probably right. I have no idea what I’m talking about. He clearly did not get the first down from all angles shown. Geez.

 

[Jax_Vol]

The blame for all that is on Princeton Fant.

In wide open view on first down, he tackled an edge rusher to back us up 10 yards.

 

[joshwa]

Probably am. I'm sure you believe if it was spotted as a first down they'd have moved it back too. Smfh

 

[Orange Raid]

Wow. It must be nice living in fantasy land except on game day.

 

[VolGee4]

The spot was correct. It's based on where the ball is.

Kind of like the spot on Velus' catch in the first quarter? They spotted his knee instead of the ball. It wouldn't have necessarily gotten us the first down, but we would have had 4th and a foot instead of a yard.

It's just ironic you said this because they spotted his knee in the first quarter. So very inconsistent, and he was 20 yards downfield out of position.

 

[VolGee4]

Spots are only reviewable to the extent that the runner did or didn't make the line to gain. If the runner didn't get the first down, the ball stays where it was spotted.

That's asinine. Replay can tell where people are down. A 4th and 1 is totally different than a 4th and a foot. It makes a huge difference. Just total incompetence.

 

[tn4elvis]

It’s real easy to fix the fake injury deal. The player that fakes it can not return to the game for that series.

 

[bamawriter]

That's asinine. Replay can tell where people are down. A 4th and 1 is totally different than a 4th and a foot. It makes a huge difference. Just total incompetence.

There's logic to it. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of all spots in any given game are probably wrong by at least a few inches. College games are intolerably long as it is.