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#201
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Behr said:
That's what they want you to believe, but he was as guilty as souce is being nooga.

He was a chess player. It was all a chess game.

The story was narrated, but not by him. By Red.

He gave valuable financial help to the guards. And got nothing in return?? Lol. Red even said "at first I thought he was trying to curry favor". Hint....hint... Of course he was.

The interactions perceive between the warden and Andy are based off what Andy tells Red and the others. Red was never around Andy and the Warden together, Red narrates what Andy tells him.

His ultimate work of art or move in his chess game was Tommy.. he spent months with Tommy "teaching" him and planting that whole story about his alibi in his head.

That's why that movie is in my top 5 of all time. Brilliant.
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I want to know what Stephen King thinks of your theory.
 
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Behr said:
That's what they want you to believe, but he was as guilty as souce is being nooga.

He was a chess player. It was all a chess game.

The story was narrated, but not by him. By Red.

He gave valuable financial help to the guards. And got nothing in return?? Lol. Red even said "at first I thought he was trying to curry favor". Hint....hint... Of course he was.

The interactions perceive between the warden and Andy are based off what Andy tells Red and the others. Red was never around Andy and the Warden together, Red narrates what Andy tells him.

His ultimate work of art or move in his chess game was Tommy.. he spent months with Tommy "teaching" him and planting that whole story about his alibi in his head.

That's why that movie is in my top 5 of all time. Brilliant.
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Women and cigarettes are best with no filter

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Behr said:
That's what they want you to believe, but he was as guilty as souce is being nooga.

He was a chess player. It was all a chess game.

The story was narrated, but not by him. By Red.

He gave valuable financial help to the guards. And got nothing in return?? Lol. Red even said "at first I thought he was trying to curry favor". Hint....hint... Of course he was.

The interactions perceive between the warden and Andy are based off what Andy tells Red and the others. Red was never around Andy and the Warden together, Red narrates what Andy tells him.

His ultimate work of art or move in his chess game was Tommy.. he spent months with Tommy "teaching" him and planting that whole story about his alibi in his head.

That's why that movie is in my top 5 of all time. Brilliant.
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tl;dr

I agree with you (the bold). I like when people discuss interpretations. I think this is one reason I am a huge David Lynch fan.

Support for your angle: Andy created a fictitious "phantom" to receive the proceeds he was taking from the prison's accounts....so he didn't see breaking the law as a big deal.....later, he seems to justify his actions because of the prison library and the fact he is helping inmates with their GED and is getting the warden some "good press"...there's also that exchange in the library with Red when he's telling him about this fictitious persona, and Andy gives the impression it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't really hurt anyone (my sense of what he was saying)....also the way he asked Hadley when tarring the roof if he thought his wife would "go behind his back"

HOWEVER, (see italics) Red is the one who tells Tommy that Andy's wife was murdered by some golf pro. And Tommy just HAPPENS to have shared a conversation with a fellow inmate who described to him that situation? Nah. That part is a stretch.

Andy is not a purely innocent victim, I agree, more an anti-hero, but my interpretation is that he did not kill his wife. But if Red had not been the one who told Tommy why he was in there, I might very well have that view myself.
 
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Weezer said:
Yes. They changed some thing from the original novella.
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I’d like to think some that watched the movie had already read the Steven King short. Better than the movie, and I love that movie. Wasn’t it titled ‘Rita Hayworth’s Poster’ or something along those lines? Yes, I could have googled it, but I like to let my mind have exercise every once in awhile.
 
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GordonC said:
tl;dr

I agree with you (the bold). I like when people discuss interpretations. I think this is one reason I am a huge David Lynch fan.

Support for your angle: Andy created a fictitious "phantom" to receive the proceeds he was taking from the prison's accounts....so he didn't see breaking the law as a big deal.....later, he seems to justify his actions because of the prison library and the fact he is helping inmates with their GED and is getting the warden some "good press"...there's also that exchange in the library with Red when he's telling him about this fictitious persona, and Andy gives the impression it's okay to break the law as long as it doesn't really hurt anyone (my sense of what he was saying)....also the way he asked Hadley when tarring the roof if he thought his wife would "go behind his back"

HOWEVER, (see italics) Red is the one who tells Tommy that Andy's wife was murdered by some golf pro. And Tommy just HAPPENS to have shared a conversation with a fellow inmate who described to him that situation? Nah. That part is a stretch.

Andy is not a purely innocent victim, I agree, more an anti-hero, but my interpretation is that he did not kill his wife. But if Red had not been the one who told Tommy why he was in there, I might very well have that view myself.
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Who told Red?
 
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GordonC said:
It was a high-profile case.
In the yard, Red mentioned it to Andy (something like you are the one who killed your wife) shortly after Andy arrived at Shawshank.
I think it was when Andy asked for Rita Hayworth.
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Red didn't tell Tommy all the details.

You need to watch it again now that you have all this knowledge, and then you'll see the truth.
 
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GordonC said:
He didn't have to.
Once Red mentioned a "golf pro" did it, all we saw was Tommy's reaction, and then Tommy shared what the fellow inmate had told him.
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But Tommy already knew because Andy had been filling him up with it. Andy was escaping and promised Tommy to take him with him, but he had to make this story believable. I think Andy knew the Warden would get scared and Kill Tommy and then he wouldn't have to let him tag along.
 
#223
#223
Behr said:
But Tommy already knew because Andy had been filling him up with it. Andy was escaping and promised Tommy to take him with him, but he had to make this story believable. I think Andy knew the Warden would get scared and Kill Tommy and then he wouldn't have to let him tag along.
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That's an interesting take on it, for sure. I like movies where everything isn't wrapped up into a "tight package" at the end that lend themselves to interpretation.
Clearly, Andy was a first-rate schemer.
And we are not really privy to much of the evidence at court at the beginning of the movie, e.g., what caused the judge to act with such revulsion toward him, other than the details of the murders.
I think there's much more to Andy's character than meets the eye, for sure, maybe previous near-misses with the law. ???
Like you, I rate that movie top 5 all time. I have lost count of how many times I have watched Shawshank, Tombstone, and Green Mile. If I am flipping channels and one of those is on, I keep it there. HAHA
 
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