2022 Army game bought out (merged)

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BanditVol said:
Eff both of them. Neither speaks for the fans or the University. Most fans could give a crap despite Toppemeyer trying to claim otherwise. I have it on good authority that Finebaum never has liked UT, least of all when he was there. Might explain why he crawled up saban's arse and died a long time ago.
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He was up Bama’s ass a long time before Saban got there.
 
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Do you guys not understand the objective of a shock jock? His job is to piss people off and get everyone talking about him. It appears to be working :cool::cool:
 
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BigALWiLson said:
You take a cut block to the knee above or below and tell me what you feel.... lol bs it is dirty and there is a reason it is illegal in the NFL
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He’s right, they do play by the rules. Conversely, UT reserves the right not to pay a million bucks to play them because of the way they play within those rules. Goes both ways.
 
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The service academies, for good and just reasons, are unable to recruit talent to match the highest levels of the college game. So they've taken on a gimmick offense, the triple option, to help offset their recruiting disadvantages.

But that advantage, the decision to take that advantage, comes with the cost of other schools sometimes choosing not to have to mess with it. I mean, there are so few teams in the US using this unique offense, it makes very little sense to have to devote time preparing for it.

I don't think Tennessee is "scared" of anything. I don't think it is disrespectful of the Vols to cancel a contract to play Army in the future. I think it's probably just a smart decision, and a "cost of doing business" Army accepts for choosing to use a gimmick offense.

I love both teams, and have no problem with this decision.

Go Vols!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
He was up Bama’s ass a long time before Saban got there.
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yep! I didn't follow him that closely in the 90s, but had the impression that he was a very objective reporter, willing to take shots at anyone including bama. I saw a dramatic change about the time he dug into the Albert Means thing. He learned that if he entertained the wild bama conspriacies and acted like they might be true, his ratings would soar. So at that point he basically sold out, IMO.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The service academies, for good and just reasons, are unable to recruit talent to match the highest levels of the college game. So they've taken on a gimmick offense, the triple option, to help offset their recruiting disadvantages.

But that advantage, the decision to take that advantage, comes with the cost of other schools sometimes choosing not to have to mess with it. I mean, there are so few teams in the US using this unique offense, it makes very little sense to have to devote time preparing for it.

I don't think Tennessee is "scared" of anything. I don't think it is disrespectful of the Vols to cancel a contract to play Army in the future. I think it's probably just a smart decision, and a "cost of doing business" Army accepts for choosing to use a gimmick offense.

I love both teams, and have no problem with this decision.

Go Vols!
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Our hurry up is a gimmick also. Should teams not play us since it’s something that most teams don’t see every week🤷‍♂️
 
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PG1 said:
Our hurry up is a gimmick also. Should teams not play us since it’s something that most teams don’t see every week🤷‍♂️
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Someone actually said that to me when I told them why we backed out of the game with Army.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Someone actually said that to me when I told them why we backed out of the game with Army.
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Hopefully you laughed at them and told them many teams play fast paced then told them the strategy of the hurry up isn’t to dive at the opposing lineman’s knees every single play like Army does.
 
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PG1 said:
Our hurry up is a gimmick also. Should teams not play us since it’s something that most teams don’t see every week🤷‍♂️
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You'll have to ask those other teams. :)

But one huge difference in scheduling: we're in the SEC. Army is an independent. That means we get 8 of our 12 games on our dance card each year courtesy of the conference schedulers, and only have to come up with 4 on our own. Plus, we're a Power 5 team scheduling (3 of 4) OOC opponents who know they're likely to lose to us, but do it anyway for a payday.

Army is an independent, who must schedule all 12 games through their own efforts each year. Well, one is set in stone (Army-Navy). The rest, they have to go out and barter for. Plus, they're not a Power 5 program, so don't have the big $$ to pay another lesser team to come lose (probably). Nor do they face many opponents who sign up for the contest knowing they're probably a big underdog.

It's really just a very different set of circumstances and demands surrounding the two program's scheduling requirements. So even if one accepts your premise that hurry-up is just a gimmick (I'm not sure I'd categorize it that way), it still wouldn't affect scheduling the way Army's choice to use the triple option does.
 
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creekerballer said:
Hopefully you laughed at them and told them many teams play fast paced then told them the strategy of the hurry up isn’t to dive at the opposing lineman’s knees every single play like Army does.
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Funny how you all dismiss the fact that Army is one of the least penalized teams in college football and they play good, clean, fundamental football. And it's fun to watch.

Many teams don't run their offense as fast paced as Heupel does either. I don't have a problem with his offense or the one Monken runs at Army. As a matter of fact. I think this would have been a very exciting and unique matchup. Matchups like that are good for college football.

I don't want to see teams running the same or similar style of offense. That's boring.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You'll have to ask those other teams. :)

But one huge difference in scheduling: we're in the SEC. Army is an independent. That means we get 8 of our 12 games on our dance card each year courtesy of the conference schedulers, and only have to come up with 4 on our own. Plus, we're a Power 5 team scheduling OOC opponents who know they're likely to lose to us, but do it anyway for a payday.

Army is an independent, who must schedule all 12 games through their own efforts each year. Well, one is set in stone (Army-Navy). The rest, they have to go out and barter for. Plus, they're not a Power 5 program, so don't have the big $$ to pay another lesser team to come lose (probably). Nor do they face many opponents who sign up for the contest knowing they're probably a big underdog.

It's really just a very different set of circumstances and demands surrounding the two program's scheduling requirements. So even if one accepts your premise that hurry-up is just a gimmick (I'm not sure I'd categorize it that way), it doesn't affect scheduling nearly as much as Army's choice to use the triple option does.
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Also if you look at Army's future schedules they have many matchups scheduled as far out as 2029. I noticed Mizzou was on their schedule for that year. It seems Army has to get more of a head start on their scheduling than other teams. Being an Independent not named Notre Dame or BYU definitely presents more challenges in scheduling.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Funny how you all dismiss the fact that Army is one of the least penalized teams in college football and they play good, clean, fundamental football. And it's fun to watch.

Many teams don't run their offense as fast paced as Heupel does either. I don't have a problem with his offense or the one Monken runs at Army. As a matter of fact. I think this would have been a very exciting and unique matchup. Matchups like that are good for college football.

I don't want to see teams running the same or similar style of offense. That's boring.
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Donjo, you're right.

Folks who think cut blocking is a defining aspect of triple option offenses don't understand the triple option.

Army and Navy linemen don't use the cut block more often than their Power 5 counterparts because of what the QB and running backs are doing (executing the triple option). They tend toward cut blocks because they're often smaller than the defenders they have to block. Here's a good article explaining why they tend to be smaller: For Army and Navy football players, size is a weighty issue during and after their college football careers.

Line coaches love to talk about pad level. Get your pad level low. Low man wins. Leverage comes from being the guy pushing up, not pushing down. Get low.

Well, smaller guys are naturally better at getting lower. Which means they're naturally better at making contact with the lower half of the other guy's body (their legs, not necessarily their knees).

And that is entirely legal in football. The cut block is not a violation of the rules, done properly. It's a valid blocking technique. It's the chop block that some mistake for a cut block that is against the rules.

So, yeah, I doubt Tennessee cancelled the planned game against Army because of cut blocking. Probably had a heck of a lot more to do with--as Danny White said--a desire not to have to devote extra time preparing for a unique offensive style we wouldn't see again all season.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Funny how you all dismiss the fact that Army is one of the least penalized teams in college football and they play good, clean, fundamental football. And it's fun to watch.

Many teams don't run their offense as fast paced as Heupel does either. I don't have a problem with his offense or the one Monken runs at Army. As a matter of fact. I think this would have been a very exciting and unique matchup. Matchups like that are good for college football.

I don't want to see teams running the same or similar style of offense. That's boring.
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So, because they are good at diving at the other teams knees without being penalized for it is your justification for complaining we bought the game out? I don’t care how many penalties they get, they use the cut block as their scheme every single play. I’d rather have our guys healthy for games that actually matter.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We aren’t complaining. You are. No one else gives a damn about them
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Actually there are plenty of fans who don't agree with this move. Volnation does not make up the majority of Vols fans.

And I wasn't complaining. I was stating an actual fact. Learn to read.
 
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