Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[Septic]

Genuine question. Our last exchange did you feel I was “moving the goal posts” or “straw man”-ing your argument

By including the links to whatever other situations you mentioned?

I don't know, because I didn't even read them due to my schedule today. If they had been, I'd have called you on it. If they weren't I'd have agreed - my assumption was that you weren't which is why I said what I said.

 

[hog88]

No, I am on the record several times condemning the actions of the rioters.

Would you let your 17 year old son leave the house with a gun to attend a riot being staged by misguided leftists?

From what I understand he didn't take the rifle to Kenosha, someone gave him the rifle when he got there.

But no I wouldn't have allowed my son to go in the first place but bad parenting isn't on trial here.

 

[Septic]

Would you let your 17 year old son leave the house with a gun to travel to a riot by misguided leftists?

Poor home training for sure.

 

[Vol8188]

He brought the only tool necessary to the party to shoot someone, locked and loaded...... and then proceeded to engage in behavior that would predispose him to a violence.

He deserves no sympathy.

The thing I’m missing is the behavior he engaged in that would predispose him. What did he do that I missed

 

[Septic]

From what I understand he didn't take the rifle to Kenosha, someone gave him the rifle when he got there.

But no I wouldn't have allowed my son to go in the first place but bad parenting isn't on trial here.

Whoever supplied the kid with the gun may have a problem as well.

 

[whodeycin85]

Would you let your 17 year old son leave the house with a gun to travel to a riot by misguided leftists?

If he felt it was the correct thing to do..and if it was a area he frequented and knew people and was helping clean up like KR..yes especially since like KR he knew how and when to properly use the weapon...correction the gun was already there he didnt travel with it....

 

[hog88]

Whoever supplied the kid with the gun may have a problem as well.

They should if it's against the law in WI to allow a minor to have a rifle. If not then no, they shouldn't have a legal problem. A civil one probably.

 

[Vol8188]

By including the links to whatever other situations you mentioned?

I don't know, because I didn't even read them due to my schedule today. If they had been, I'd have called you on it. If they weren't I'd have agreed - my assumption was that you weren't which is why I said what I said.

I asked because of the claims of another poster. That my exchange with you was just me moving the goal posts and straw maning

 

[whodeycin85]

The thing I’m missing is the behavior he engaged in that would predispose him. What did he do that I missed

He is recorded saying he would shoot someone he suspected of stealing...then he called the cops...the judge has a bias to throw it out as evidence but is waiting to see if any imilarities to the case

 

[USAFgolferVol]

From what I understand he didn't take the rifle to Kenosha, someone gave him the rifle when he got there.

But no I wouldn't have allowed my son to go in the first place but bad parenting isn't on trial here.

If he was just a little younger it would be? Look, we don't always agree but I got to believe you think his parents are irresponsible, as I do.

 

[n_huffhines]

Okay. What’s the point of the post? Because it seems like a false comparison.

But it's not. If somebody from the left showed up at 1/6 and shot rioters because he/she claimed fear for life, people here would be flip-flopping. The point is as plain as day. We have biased people who are looking at this through a left/right lens.

 

[Vol8188]

No, I am on the record several times condemning the actions of the rioters.

Would you let your 17 year old son leave the house with a gun to attend a riot being staged by misguided leftists?

Okay. Would I? No. If my son did, would that negate his right to self defense? No.

 

[Vol8188]

He is recorded saying he would shoot someone he suspected of stealing...then he called the cops...the judge has a bias to throw it out as evidence but is waiting to see if any imilarities to the case

You believe that statement caused these events?

 

[hog88]

If he was just a little younger it would be? Look, we don't always agree but I got to believe you think his parents are irresponsible, as I do.

I do think they are probably irresponsible dirtbags but they're not on trial.

 

[Septic]

The thing I’m missing is the behavior he engaged in that would predispose him. What did he do that I missed

Would you honestly have us believe that showing up to a riot strapped with an AR is not step one and two of a three step plan on how to get into trouble?

Maybe this photo was taken out of context and he was really just there to talk to people about there cars extended waranty.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

If he felt it was the correct thing to do..and if it was a area he frequented and knew people and was helping clean up like KR..yes especially since like KR he knew how and when to properly use the weapon...correction the gun was already there he didnt travel with it....

How old are you? The reason I ask is because that sounds like fairly irresponsible reasoning. Why not redirect his "patriotic" feelings to defend to a career in the Army or Marines?

 

[Septic]

They should if it's against the law in WI to allow a minor to have a rifle. If not then no, they shouldn't have a legal problem. A civil one probably.

Well, we know that to be the case.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Okay. Would I? No. If my son did, would that negate his right to self defense? No.

No, but two separate issues.

 

[whodeycin85]

You believe that statement caused these events?

Nope but that is what the state is trying...the other evidence was thrown out as to dissimilar..and oddly showed him defending sister..and a him with a pic with the proud boys..

 

[Septic]

He is recorded saying he would shoot someone he suspected of stealing...then he called the cops...the judge has a bias to throw it out as evidence but is waiting to see if any imilarities to the case

Cops have no record of his phone call.

Kyle Rittenhouse: Self Defense? | YIP Institute

Here's Kyles problem...

"Kyle's self defense claim is not supported by Wisconsin law. In fact, Wisconsin is one of twenty-two U.S. states that does not have the “Stand your Ground” law. Even in the states where “Stand your Ground” is law, the right applies to self-defense inside one's home, vehicle, or business. In those states, one can generally use lethal force without having a duty to retreat. In any event, the self-defense argument would not have applied to Rittenhouse who had already overstepped his legal framework by using excessive retaliatory force. He was an active shooter who had not complied with Wisconsin State Law, and was posing an immediate threat. After killing Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse had become an “active shooter” and all those who tried to neutralize or attack him were, therefore, legally justified in doing so. The laws sanction bystanders’ efforts at disarming or neutralizing an active shooter, especially since in so many violent instances--i.e. Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut or in Parkland, Florida--attackers have inflicted great harm on innocent citizens."

In other words, what you see depends on where you sit - and the law is def not on his side.

 

[Vol8188]

Would you honestly have us believe that showing up to a riot strapped with an AR is not step one and two of a three step plan on how to get into trouble?

Maybe this photo was taken out of context and he was really just there to talk to people about there cars extended waranty.

You stated them as if they were two separate things. You said he brought a loaded gun to a riot and he engaged in behavior. So the behavior was bringing the gun?

Am I straw manning or is your entire argument that he’s guilty because he brought a gun?

 

[whodeycin85]

How old are you? The reason I ask is because that sounds like fairly irresponsible reasoning. Why not redirect his "patriotic" feelings to defend to a career in the Army or Marines?

Im over 40. And for a 17 year old 5 months from 18, who is interested and being working and engaging with the local police to join them....would you rather him be going to a party getting drunk and doing drugs???? 5 months and its not an issue.

 

[hog88]

Well, we know that to be the case.

Yep, that is the case.

Online court records show prosecutors in Kenosha charged 19-year-old Dominick Black on Nov. 3 with two felony counts of supplying a dangerous weapon to a minor causing death. Black, who was 18 at the time of the purchase, told authorities that he purchased the weapon at a hardware store in Wisconsin. He could face up to 25 years in prison if convicted on both counts.

 

[Septic]

You stated them as if they were two separate things. You said he brought a loaded gun to a riot and he engaged in behavior. So the behavior was bringing the gun?

Am I straw manning or is your entire argument that he’s guilty because he brought a gun?

I never said he was guilty, but given the legal issues that face him and how the law works (see the post above) - I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

I do think they are probably irresponsible dirtbags but they're not on trial.

I don't think he should see one day in jail, but I do believe his alternative to jail should be enlisting in the Army or Marines. That's actually been used, with favorable results, to misguided teenagers who needed proper direction instead of incarceration