Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

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#576
SpaceCoastVol said:
How so? Maybe he really IS a patriot and wanted to help his 'neighbors'. Or is it better if everyone except the cops just look down and shake their heads in disgust while thugs kill people and burn their livelihoods to the ground? Some people run towards danger regardless of whether or not they are law enforcement.
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Cops are murderous thugs who are attempting to systematically eliminate the black race.

Also, only cops should be armed.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How so? Maybe he really IS a patriot and wanted to help his 'neighbors'. Or is it better if everyone except the cops just look down and shake their heads in disgust while thugs kill people and burn their livelihoods to the ground? Some people run towards danger regardless of whether or not they are law enforcement.
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One mans trash is another mans treasure.

I'll sit quietly and smirk while you try to paint this dummy as some sort of misunderstood law abiding patriot.
 
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All I know is if KR were a lefty showing up to shoot violent proud boys in Charlottesville or the mob on 1/6, then a lot of people here would be flip-flopping.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
That was because as the judge said he didnt act on it amd did the right thing by calling the police..
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Disagree.

A 404(b) analysis is a balancing of probative value and prejudice.

The Judge found that the probative value was outweighed by the risk of unfair prejudice, but if the video showed him just being a normal nice guy then there would be no risk of prejudice and the defense wouldn’t have smiles about having it excluded. His lusting after the opportunity to shoot someone absolutely goes to his state of mind or propensity for violence prior to being assaulted.

The problem for the prosecution is that his state of mind before being assaulted is currently tangential, at best, to the question of whether he violated the Wisconsin criminal code when he killed two men who were assaulting him and propensity evidence is disfavored.

That’s why the judge deferred ruling until the trial to see if the issues at trial change the balance of the two considerations.
 
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n_huffhines said:
All I know is if KR were a lefty showing up to shoot violent proud boys in Charlottesville or the mob on 1/6, then a lot of people here would be flip-flopping.
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Are you saying this young man is guilty of murder?

Seems odd for our resident libertarian to judge a young man showing up with a gun and then pretend he had the intent of shooting people.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Who on this board, with any testosterone, has not in pure braggadociousness, stated to a buddy "If I had ___________ I'd __________" knowing you'd never really do it sober.
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How many have done so on an occasion where they’ve taken a ________ to a location where they would likely have the opportunity to ________ and then gone on to actually use _______ to ________ later that same night?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Disagree.

A 404(b) analysis is a balancing of probative value and prejudice.

The Judge found that the probative value was outweighed by the risk of unfair prejudice, but if the video showed him just being a normal nice guy then there would be no risk of prejudice and the defense wouldn’t have smiles about having it excluded. His lusting after the opportunity to shoot someone absolutely goes to his state of mind or propensity for violence prior to being assaulted.

The problem for the prosecution is that his state of mind before being assaulted is currently tangential, at best, to the question of whether he violated the Wisconsin criminal code when he killed two men who were assaulting him and propensity evidence is disfavored.

That’s why the judge deferred ruling until the trial to see if the issues at trial change the balance of the two considerations.
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If he was “lusting after the opportunity to shoot someone”, why did he run?

He first attempted to run away from every single one of his attackers, correct?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Is this the full rationale for your belief that he didn’t go looking for trouble?
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You’re trolling hard today. Answering questions with questions.

So once again:

If he came with the intent of shooting others, why was he running?

I believe he was running because he suspected the people chasing him would harm him. Therefore his actions appear to be in self defense.
 
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Septic said:
One mans trash is another mans treasure.

I'll sit quietly and smirk while you try to paint this dummy as some sort of misunderstood law abiding patriot.
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So it is OK then to sit at home with your Pabst Blue Ribbon while your city burns around you then. Is that what you are saying?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
So it is OK then to sit at home with your Pabst Blue Ribbon while your city burns around you then. Is that what you are saying?
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It must be tiresome to live in a binary world where there are only two, extreme opposite sides. There are always more than 2 sides. Ever heard of moderation?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. My stance of “anyone is welcome to protest armed and if anyone is dumb enough to attack a protestor who is open carrying, they got what they deserved”. Feels moderate
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Yep. Unless of course that guy with the skateboard was merely trying to give him a lesson on doing a headstand, then KR was out of line in shooting his ass. Somehow though... and this is probably just me... I don't think that was the case.

Look, I don't know if this guy is a patriot or not. I do know that if I live in a neighborhood that the anfita thugs are hell bent on burning to the ground, I will be passing out cold drinks to guys like him rather than condemning him. Of course Richard Jewell was a cop wanna be too and blew up the Atlanta Olympics..... until he didn't
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Disagree.

A 404(b) analysis is a balancing of probative value and prejudice.

The Judge found that the probative value was outweighed by the risk of unfair prejudice, but if the video showed him just being a normal nice guy then there would be no risk of prejudice and the defense wouldn’t have smiles about having it excluded. His lusting after the opportunity to shoot someone absolutely goes to his state of mind or propensity for violence prior to being assaulted.

The problem for the prosecution is that his state of mind before being assaulted is currently tangential, at best, to the question of whether he violated the Wisconsin criminal code when he killed two men who were assaulting him and propensity evidence is disfavored.

That’s why the judge deferred ruling until the trial to see if the issues at trial change the balance of the two considerations.
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Judges actual words
Schroeder said, "The events are so totally dissimilar," and that for now, "I'm going to withhold a final decision with a bias toward refusing."
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Judges actual words
Schroeder said, "The events are so totally dissimilar," and that for now, "I'm going to withhold a final decision with a bias toward refusing."
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Yes, that’s consistent with what I said.

The differences diminish the probative value, but he reserved ruling because the balance may change at trial.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yes, that’s consistent with what I said.

The differences diminish the probative value, but he reserved ruling because the balance may change at trial.
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I’m still waiting. If he was lusting to kill someone as you believe, why did he run from every single person who attacked him?
 
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#599
USAFgolferVol said:
You don't necessarily have to sit in your house drinking beer while your city burns around you, as SCV suggested
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Just curious. According to some on here if you don’t do that, it’s because you’re a white supremacist who just wants to kill
 
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