Harrison Bailey (merged)

#77
#77
If I'm HB I'm gone and a middle finger to CJH and I hope I play against you coach. I'll root for this kid wherever he lands and I hope he plays against the vols and plays well. Don't want him to win but would love to see him put up fantastic numbers.
 
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Rooster1 said:
If he ever enters the portal I hope SC gets him, he can sling it around good enuf to be an SEC type starter.. Beamer wouldn't be the only coach trying to get him either. If he left UT, it would be smart of him to go to a diff conference though, like the ACC.
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I would want him far away from the SEC. Otherwise we will face the almost certain prospect of a revenge tour de force against us with Bailey throwing for 500+ yards. You KNOW it would happen
 
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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You forgot some other critical stats, if you search Hooker's and Milton's stats from last year, Bailey beats both of them in every catagory you just mentioned as a freshman, and both of them were seniors. Another coach trying to force square pegs into round holes and not playing the players with the higher ceiling.
 
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Rooster1 said:
If he ever enters the portal I hope SC gets him, he can sling it around good enuf to be an SEC type starter.. Beamer wouldn't be the only coach trying to get him either. If he left UT, it would be smart of him to go to a diff conference though, like the ACC.
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IMO he'll more than likely follow up Coral at Ole Miss, after that he'll choose between LSU, UF, Bama, and T A&M may have a shot. It just depends who presents the best package to him on the way off The Hill.
 
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VolunteerNut said:
He'll never see the field as long as CJH is the coach unless mop up duty and he won't let him throw a ball. Will be all hand off's. Why would he? I'm so over this staff. Please for the love of god let Lincoln Riley leave for the pros and Oklahoma comes and hires CJH. The sooner we get this clown out of here the better we will be. I'm sorry. I was never sold on this hire nor am I now. He has a QB riding the pine that will start wherever he transfers to and CJH will look like an idiot for not playing the kid. He has the best finesse and touch of any of the QB's but doesn't have the wheels but if Pruitt wasn't such a tool he would have seen the same. The kid can play but he won't get it with this staff unless as I said both quarterbacks are in casts. The kid throws the ball with confidence, authority, and precision. But we won't see it until he transfesr and I'f I'm HB i'm looking for a school now.

Sorry for the rant but I'm already sick of this and the 4th and inches call sent me over the edge. I"M OUT and I'll hear see ya.
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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he's the perfect system QB. He would play at Bama. Or even Clemson. He's a game manager. Our Coach wants a Josh Dobbs. And it is very very difficult to find a QB that runs an entire offense
 
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#84
I hope it all boils down to Heupel trying to redshirt him, and Bailey agreeing. Pre-COVID the rule just changed to allow players to play in four games and still keep the shirt. 2020 did not count towards eligibility. Having potentially four years left after 2021 could be very appealing. I know the timeline is not what he signed up for when he stepped on campus in January of 2020, but no wanted or expected a pandemic either. In the end, if he does stay it will tell us that he really wants it. I would like to believe there are still some folks out there that can see value in patience and the opportunities it presents.
 
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FallGuy said:
I’ve been watching the spring game highlights and HB seems to have amazing touch on the deep ball. It just drops right in like he is reaching out and handing the ball off.
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True , but playing against a shell of a defense. It’s all about handling the defensive pressure up front and having the same touch. Big difference.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
You forgot some other critical stats, if you search Hooker's and Milton's stats from last year, Bailey beats both of them in every catagory you just mentioned as a freshman, and both of them were seniors. Another coach trying to force square pegs into round holes and not playing the players with the higher ceiling.
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Hookers stats from last season are not bad at all - Milton's were just awful but he did have an injured hand part of that time.
 
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Jake Tate said:
When you say analytics but mostly state opinions… as an analyst, I’m offended
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Potato - patato If I said passing stats or something else it just isn't as catchy. :)

I did take some poetic liberty interpreting the numbers - but I thought Bailey got a raw deal last season. This is a different offense and a different quarterback room. I admit that I have less patience for Milton because I watched him play for Michigan last season and marveled ( not in a good way ) and had to watch JG
( not ) play quarterback here for 4 years. I am jaded a little --- I was impressed by Hooker and thought he played really well considering not taking reps with the first team. It is conceivable that Milton turns it around - but isn't that what they said about Guarantano every year. I will say as bad as Milton has played in the first two games - he was actually worse at Michigan, so he has improved some - just very hard to watch him overthrow open receivers - by ten yards.
 
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VolunteerNut said:
He'll never see the field as long as CJH is the coach unless mop up duty and he won't let him throw a ball. Will be all hand off's. Why would he? I'm so over this staff. Please for the love of god let Lincoln Riley leave for the pros and Oklahoma comes and hires CJH. The sooner we get this clown out of here the better we will be. I'm sorry. I was never sold on this hire nor am I now. He has a QB riding the pine that will start wherever he transfers to and CJH will look like an idiot for not playing the kid. He has the best finesse and touch of any of the QB's but doesn't have the wheels but if Pruitt wasn't such a tool he would have seen the same. The kid can play but he won't get it with this staff unless as I said both quarterbacks are in casts. The kid throws the ball with confidence, authority, and precision. But we won't see it until he transfesr and I'f I'm HB i'm looking for a school now.

Sorry for the rant but I'm already sick of this and the 4th and inches call sent me over the edge. I"M OUT and I'll hear see ya.
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Bailey wouldn't start anywhere at the power 5 level. Thats ridiculous. Best finesse and touch of any QB we have? Well, let's check the game tape.....

Underthrows?
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Almost INTs?
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It's always a great throw when your WR is looking 5 yards behind him, right?
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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Two coaching staffs have determined that he is not the best option.I don’t really care who plays QB as long as they are competent, but this HB is the best option is crossing the delusional threshold. He had a high completion percentage and averaged 6 yds. per. He is not a threat to run, therefore LBs and Safeties won’t be up in the box which would nullify vertical passing game. To simply plug in a hypothetical QB for games that have already been played and try and conclude how that would play out takes a whole lot of assumptions, and is an apples and oranges comparison.
 
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So no one who is criticizing him thinks he has improved from getting a spring and fall practice in along with all the work he did in the off season. You really want to judge him based on being a true freshman with no spring practice and coaches admitted they did not work with him in the fall and then threw him in against Florida last year. My wife is neutral on Tennessee and she said last year he looked better than anyone else we had out there. Just my opinion but it seems obvious Hooker or Bailey are better passers period.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
You are clueless and shouldn't post until you learn to read. Auburn was at the time or ended up in the top 25 in the country. Bailey's last four games were against 3 top 25 teams! He had a 74% completion rate, ZERO PICKS, and FOUR TDs in the last four games. That is damn good for a guy never given a chance to lead the team the entire year!!!
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L's all over the place though...isnt that the argument use to run down other qbs because they are the only ones in the field that matter. Right?
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I believe he faced Florida, Texas a and m and Auburn. They all had better defenses than we did. Just saying.
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It’s a smaller sample size, especially when Vandy is included, who was last in the SEC. Florida was 10th in the SEC in yards per game. And he’s still getting sacked at an alarming rate. He got sacked about 10 times in 80 or so attempts. Bailey is a game manager and a dink and dunk guy. That’s not a good fit for this offense. You must throw stretch the field deep and wide, and offer something in the running game.

He’s running 3rd behind two flawed QBs.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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Most people agree Bailey should be the guy. It makes absolutely zero sense and leaves one thinking WHY? Give me one performance stat that indicates Milton over any of these guys? It’s simply not there.

It is as if the money is involved once again. That leaves me thinking perhaps the boosters have invested money in Milton, because they feel he has more star power. Once again, the boosters are messing it all up, because they don’t know football.
 
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#100
njvols said:
I won't go that far...I'll just say I don't understand why HB not given opportunity YET. He seems the most accurate passer...he's not the most mobile, but neither was Drew Locke. Only other thing I can come up with is maybe he can't grasp or initiate the speed of the offense (which sounds counter intuitive to everything we've heard about him from intelligence perspective). I do have confidence in coach...I'll just leave it at I don't understand the rationale. Milton looks the part, but don't know how you fix down the field accuracy in game setting...unfortunately, think it's who he was at Mich, and who he is at UT.
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Yall act like he isnt given an opportunity everyday at practice. Just because you arent allowed in the facility to watch practice doesnt mean he hasnt had a fair chance to win the job.


I swear i think some of you believe the team only gets together for the games.
 
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