Harrison Bailey (merged)

#52
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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You’re gonna be disappointed when he finally gets to play. He didn’t face Georgia, Alabama or even Kentucky’s pass defense.
 
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If Heupel had his way he would redshirt Bailey. It is good for both parties involved. Bailey can transfer and have more eligibility or stay and have more time. If he plays it is really because Milton and Hooker essentially failed.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
I am asking this a serious question, it is not intended to be rude or condescending at all. I am serious about that.
Do you think it was reasonable for Bailey to have started last year or even play much earlier than he did? Especially considering COVID and him being a true freshman. Also add to that JG actually had a bounce back performance after the Alabama game the year before and finished strong (for him at least) at the end of that year and at the beginning of last year against South Carolina and Missouri. It took him all of that year and horrible performance by three (3) other quarterbacks to get on the field. My point was he was never really ready last year, he played because the others in front of him on the depth chart were very, very bad.

Then we start with this year. Do you really think Heupel would not play him if he was the best quarterback? Do you think there is some reason that Bailey has not played a snap? Surely Heupel likes wining and more importantly being a millionaire.

I just don't get the insistence that Bailey is the guy. Is it the Spring Game? I mean do we fans thinks that Heupel a pretty good quarterback in his own right knows what he is looking for in his system and knows that Bailey is not quite ready. His best game was against a horrible Vanderbilt team and his QBR that game was lower than Hooker's game against Pitt.

If he is not ready, he is not ready. If he was ready he would be playing. I am just having a hard time understanding this debate. Debate whether it is Hooker or Milton, fine. Bailey is not yet the type of quarterback that you can plug into this offense and excel without the potential running threat. He ain't Drew Lock yet and this offense line needs help with a running mobile quarterback.
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I think Bailey tried to win the job and probably doesn’t give a s..t now that he’s 3rd and told coach Hype I’m going to class, supporting my mates and see u later when the portal opens.
 
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lexkyvol said:
this is dumb. he gets to repeat last yr and redshirt this yr. by the time he is a red soph he will be the guy with 3 years to start.
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And the likelihood of him becoming "the guy" for Heupel's offense at all is pretty low with Milton and/or Hooker still on the roster, and with Heupel's choice QB recruit in the '22 class.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
You will not get many responses to this because it's the ugly truth Bailey hasn't done anything special
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Agreed. And that’s not saying he couldn’t develop into a decent QB but this crap is ridiculous throwing up numbers vs teams in garbage time. I’d love for him to be the guy but fact is he’s never wowed two staffs enough to put him ahead of terrible options at qb.
 
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Dino0027 said:
I like that you posted this like it matters after watching two older more tenured college QBs struggle against Pitt and Bowling Green. I think the OP did a good job of laying out his post in an informative way. I think everyone that is pro Bailey, just wants him to get a chance.
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Al I did was display the stats he's already achieved. None of his time was against blitzes and different defensive packages, it was 95% garbage time. All the opponents wanted to do was run out the clock for the win.
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Who The F*** Cares. He is a QB not a Damn RB. I'm so sick of this argument.

Milton can barely run and CAN'T Complete a pass over 10yards.
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Anyone that knows anything about this offense f-ing cares. If you're sick of the argument, then stop pushing the Bailey narrative. Bottom line: He's 3rd string. You don't have to like it, but I'll put more faith in a guy that played QB at a very high level and has been around the sport rather than you Bailey jock sniffers.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
You have to earn your chance and obviously he hasn't done so
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Everyone keeps saying that he hasn’t earned it. Isn’t there a realistic chance that Heupel brought Milton in to be his guy and went with him. Almost immediately Milton began to take first team reps and for a guy that had not been there in the spring, I strongly feel that would be extremely hard unless Heupel made the decision based off of Miltons attributes to go with him. It is very obvious by watching the last two games that given a true QB competition in the Fall, Hooker would be starting over Milton. All anyone is wanting is to see Bailey get a shot and I don’t know where all the hate for the kid comes from. Tell me honestly that you feel Heupel made the right choice in Milton.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Al I did was display the stats he's already achieved. None of his time was against blitzes and different defensive packages, it was 95% garbage time. All the opponents wanted to do was run out the clock for the win.
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So we should throw Miltons stats out this year as well as Hookers because both teams aren’t top tier? Every pass with the exception of a bailout TD catch by Tillman, that has been thrown by Hooker and Milton has been in the same category as Baileys throws. I don’t believe Bailey to instantly make this team win a national championship this year, but it’s obvious by the QB play that mistakes have been made.
 
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This kid is going to transfer and make us look like fools for letting him go. I'll bet eating my hat. And I love my titlelist hats.
 
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Dino0027 said:
Everyone keeps saying that he hasn’t earned it. Isn’t there a realistic chance that Heupel brought Milton in to be his guy and went with him. Almost immediately Milton began to take first team reps and for a guy that had not been there in the spring, I strongly feel that would be extremely hard unless Heupel made the decision based off of Miltons attributes to go with him. It is very obvious by watching the last two games that given a true QB competition in the Fall, Hooker would be starting over Milton. All anyone is wanting is to see Bailey get a shot and I don’t know where all the hate for the kid comes from. Tell me honestly that you feel Heupel made the right choice in Milton.
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Long term yes I do.... but he has to improve
 
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Bailey will x-fer out of UT, get picked up by an ACC or BIG team and start his last 2 years and go bowling each year. He'll get drafted in the 5th round, make a team and hold the clipboard for the first 3 years making $325k a year. In his 4th year (contract), he'll go in early in the season and finish 11 games - throw for 3400 yards and sign a $10m contract to Dallas. When this happens we'll all say he could have done that here.

We're UT after all....
 
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utvols74 said:
Bailey will x-fer out of UT, get picked up by an ACC or BIG team and start his last 2 years and go bowling each year. He'll get drafted in the 5th round, make a team and hold the clipboard for the first 3 years making $325k a year. In his 4th year (contract), he'll go in early in the season and finish 11 games - throw for 3400 yards and sign a $10m contract to Dallas. When this happens we'll all say he could have done that here.

We're UT after all....
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Can you tell me Powerball numbers for tonight? I still have few hours.
 
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MiramarVol said:
Here's Bailey's stats broken down for you guys to mull over and decide if he's the savior or majority of his time was against a lower tier SEC East team.

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We hit 20 just once with him playing a decent amount of snaps and that was against a Vandy team that was absolutely decimated. Maybe Bailey is the best of our bunch, I have no idea, but there’s nothing that clearly shows he is that.
 
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RobertPellitt said:
I am asking this a serious question, it is not intended to be rude or condescending at all. I am serious about that.
Do you think it was reasonable for Bailey to have started last year or even play much earlier than he did? Especially considering COVID and him being a true freshman. Also add to that JG actually had a bounce back performance after the Alabama game the year before and finished strong (for him at least) at the end of that year and at the beginning of last year against South Carolina and Missouri. It took him all of that year and horrible performance by three (3) other quarterbacks to get on the field. My point was he was never really ready last year, he played because the others in front of him on the depth chart were very, very bad.

Then we start with this year. Do you really think Heupel would not play him if he was the best quarterback? Do you think there is some reason that Bailey has not played a snap? Surely Heupel likes wining and more importantly being a millionaire.

I just don't get the insistence that Bailey is the guy. Is it the Spring Game? I mean do we fans thinks that Heupel a pretty good quarterback in his own right knows what he is looking for in his system and knows that Bailey is not quite ready. His best game was against a horrible Vanderbilt team and his QBR that game was lower than Hooker's game against Pitt.

If he is not ready, he is not ready. If he was ready he would be playing. I am just having a hard time understanding this debate. Debate whether it is Hooker or Milton, fine. Bailey is not yet the type of quarterback that you can plug into this offense and excel without the potential running threat. He ain't Drew Lock yet and this offense line needs help with a running mobile quarterback.
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It may not be so much that bailey is the guy as it is the other two aren’t the guy
 
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MiramarVol said:
And I see you cherry picking the last four games to conveniently leave off those 2 picks to Arkansas, but make yourself feel good. Again, I don't care who QB's, as long as he can move and protect the ball.
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2 picks plus 3 fumbles in that few snaps is not good at all.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
It’s hard to judge Bailey by last years performance because he was playing with a team and players that were going through a program meltdown. Everybody was mentally beat down IMO.
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Now that is certainly fair. There’s nothing in game time that would suggest he’s better than the other 2 we’ve seen so far but last year was a disaster all around so it certainly wasn’t all on Bailey when he was in. An offensive line full of 5-star players couldn’t block a pee wee D line.

Anyway, it’s also very possible that Bailey is struggling to run the offense in practice the way Heupel wants it. Yes he looked good in the Spring game but so did JG a couple Springs ago. Bailey also might be turning it over a lot in practice. 3 fumbles and 2 picks in the small amount of time he has played is a lot. I’ll just sit back and let our Heisman-winning NC former QB, who has also helped several other QBs reach the NFL as a coach, decide which QB is best.
 
#73
#73
I’ve been watching the spring game highlights and HB seems to have amazing touch on the deep ball. It just drops right in like he is reaching out and handing the ball off.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
My comment from yesterday :
Bailey can play quarterback at this level in college - he would be starting right now at say South Carolina, Colorado, Texas A and M and quite a few other places.
He completed 71% of his passes last season with a 155 qb rating - with a patchwork offensive line and.....

- he did this largely while "not" working with either the number 1 or number 2's for most of the year. Those are remarkably good numbers all things considered, so he is capable of starting and playing quarterback for a number of schools. He seemed to have very good touch, goes through progressions, seems to understand and feel the pocket well, has a nice high release so very few passes blocked or knocked down and he didn't suffer a large number of sacks. He also was much more mobile and athletic than anticipated and I believe he ran or scrambled a few times.

To reinforce my point -- this is where Bailey would have ended up last year in the NCAA passing rankings - when you extrapolate his numbers.

Completion percentage.

#6 in the country Matt Coral - Miss 70.9
#7 in the country Harrison Bailey - Tennessee 70.6
#8 in the country Justin Fields - Ohio State 70.2
#11 in the country Trevor Lawrence - Clemson 69.2
#13 in the country Kyle Trask - Florida 68.9

Bailey would have also finished 24th in the country in qb rating and of course played well against teams like Texas A and M, Florida, Auburn etc.

I am not particularly a fan of Harrison Bailey, a defender of Harrison Bailey, a member of the family, a member of the KKK or have any other leanings or affiliations. As said before, I think Hooker should probably start Saturday based on what I have seen, but
it bothers me when I see people on here infer that Bailey can't play and do well --- clearly he can as has been demonstrated last season.

I don't think that anyone can argue that he should have started ahead of JG last season. I think at one time he was running 4th string.

I think he will ultimately have a great career -- either here or elsewhere in the years to come.
I continue to wish all our quarterbacks well - as the season progresses.
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When you say analytics but mostly state opinions… as an analyst, I’m offended
 
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FallGuy said:
I’ve been watching the spring game highlights and HB seems to have amazing touch on the deep ball. It just drops right in like he is reaching out and handing the ball off.
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He'll never see the field as long as CJH is the coach unless mop up duty and he won't let him throw a ball. Will be all hand off's. Why would he? I'm so over this staff. Please for the love of god let Lincoln Riley leave for the pros and Oklahoma comes and hires CJH. The sooner we get this clown out of here the better we will be. I'm sorry. I was never sold on this hire nor am I now. He has a QB riding the pine that will start wherever he transfers to and CJH will look like an idiot for not playing the kid. He has the best finesse and touch of any of the QB's but doesn't have the wheels but if Pruitt wasn't such a tool he would have seen the same. The kid can play but he won't get it with this staff unless as I said both quarterbacks are in casts. The kid throws the ball with confidence, authority, and precision. But we won't see it until he transfesr and I'f I'm HB i'm looking for a school now.

Sorry for the rant but I'm already sick of this and the 4th and inches call sent me over the edge. I"M OUT and I'll hear see ya.
 
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