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therickbol said:
HB was actually terrible, based on stats, throwing the deep ball last season. But it was probably just timing and lack of chemistry. But Milton doesn't get similar excuses for him? That is what is called confirmation bias.
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Bailey actually kept the ball inside of the stadium on his deep balls. He also had basically zero first team reps all last year due to no spring, no fall, and then Pruitt not giving the twos and threes any reps with the ones. HB had no problem hitting deep shots in HS and showed improvement in the spring game. If Milton’s problems looked more like a chemistry problem and not like ALL of his Michigan highlights (and he should’ve had plenty of chemistry with those WRs), then I’d give him the same benefit of the doubt. He is literally overthrowing WRs by miles. That’s not chemistry. That’s no deep ball touch / accuracy. MAYBE it clicks this week. That would be for the best. I’m not rooting against him. I’m just advocating for an opportunity for the one QB we haven’t seen this year, who also made it to the P5 level strictly off his ability to stand around and throw the ball accurately.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
Why do I feel like I’ve accidentally wondered into the FF? Oh I know, Checkerplank and Cat. @Catbone, it’s went way past old. Kid, dial it in. I like you, and here’s the but, the attention crap gets old sometimes. Oh, and @Checkerplank (board), your commentary is pretty much overlooked for the asinine takes.
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I took him off ignore to see the old man whip him. Then he became tiresome again so he’s back on ignore. I deal with enough crap at work and don’t want to spend my free time with his trash comments.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Bailey actually kept the ball inside of the stadium on his deep balls. He also had basically zero first team reps all last year due to no spring, no fall, and then Pruitt not giving the twos and threes any reps with the ones. HB had no problem hitting deep shots in HS and showed improvement in the spring game. If Milton’s problems looked more like a chemistry problem and not like ALL of his Michigan highlights (and he should’ve had plenty of chemistry with those WRs), then I’d give him the same benefit of the doubt. He is literally overthrowing WRs by miles. That’s not chemistry. That’s no deep ball touch / accuracy. MAYBE it clicks this week. That would be for the best. I’m not rooting against him. I’m just advocating for an opportunity for the one QB we haven’t seen this year, who also made it to the P5 level strictly off his ability to stand around and throw the ball accurately.
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Anyone using last year against Bailey shouldn’t. He barely practiced and had some decent moments. Was it amazing? No but he shouldn’t be punished for it.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
Anyone using last year against Bailey shouldn’t. He barely practiced and had some decent moments. Was it amazing? No but he shouldn’t be punished for it.
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I agree….. that’s why we should trust our coaches who work with these guys every single day to make these decisions…. We have years of proof that JH will figure it out but still we think we know more than him.
 
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bluegrasser said:
There’s a thread in the FF about this, but I’m still absolutely confused by the sequence of events surrounding the almost-kick-six.

It was a field goal attempt, not a punt. TN catches the missed attempt and advances the ball.

Refs call a questionable block in back on us, but also an offsetting equivalent penalty on Pitt.

Of all the outcomes I thought of as they conferenced that call, simply handing the ball back to Pitt for a do-over was not ANYWHERE on my list of what was likely to happen next.

I kept waiting for someone to whistle from on-high and correct the situation.

What the heck was that?! Am I way off base in being confused by that?
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Basically Pitt got a get out of a penalty free card.
 
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Small nugs: Tiyon Evans was COVID related…. He didn’t see him on the sideline so he didn’t know he was out there….. stated he had a lot of fatigue from covid so he may have been cleared to be out there but unable to go to due to fatigue( last part is just guessing why he would be out there)….. Milton has an ankle…..my person doesn’t think he will play Saturday but that’s mainly a gues…Says if he doesn’t then it will probably allow Bailey to get into the game…. Says Bailey hasn’t had any burn with the 1’s in a long time while Milton and Hooker Both have….. says Milton has continued to be the best but a hooker is close in practice….wishes Milton would play like he scrimmages and we would all be pleased…. Will let me know if they start letting Bailey run with the 1’s more with Milton hobbled.
 
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I think people claiming Josh Dobbs didn't improve his accuracy are confusing accuracy with completion percentage. In raw stats one needs to consider both completion percentage and yards per attempt to get an idea how far down the field he is throwing the ball.

Nowadays we track average depth of throw. Milton's average depth of throw is 18.35 yards but his yards gained per attempt is only 5.4 yards. He's not accurate. Hooker's average depth of throw is 6.45 yards and his yards gained per attempt is 8.8 yards. Hooker is completing 72.7% of his passes while Milton is at 51.4%. Much of the difference in completion percentage can be explained by the huge variance in the depth of their throws. Shorter passes = higher completion percentage; longer passes = harder to complete and few do at a high percentage.

Last year in limited snaps in whatever offense we were running Bailey had an average depth of throw of 8.92 yards, 8.5 yards gained per attempt, and a 70.6% completion percentage. I think that's pretty good for a raw true freshman.

Last year Bailey averaged 12.04 yards per completion. This year Hooker is averaging 12.06 yards per completion and Milton is averaging 10.5 yards per completion.

I would offer that if Milton's average depth of throw was similar to Hooker's he might have a similar completion percentage, and vice versa. Bailey might be better at stretching the field than Hooker and at the moment I think Bass might be better at stretching the field than Milton. Don't let me down Bass.
 
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bluegrasser said:
There’s a thread in the FF about this, but I’m still absolutely confused by the sequence of events surrounding the almost-kick-six.

It was a field goal attempt, not a punt. TN catches the missed attempt and advances the ball.

Refs call a questionable block in back on us, but also an offsetting equivalent penalty on Pitt.

Of all the outcomes I thought of as they conferenced that call, simply handing the ball back to Pitt for a do-over was not ANYWHERE on my list of what was likely to happen next.

I kept waiting for someone to whistle from on-high and correct the situation.

What the heck was that?! Am I way off base in being confused by that?
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A field goal attempt and a punt are both scrimmage kicks and are treated the same if the defense attempts to return them. It was a block in the back on Banks which he didn’t need to do. He should have just screened the defender and let Theo run off his back.

We could have kept possession if we declined the penalty on Pitt but that would mean we would have to enforce our penalty which would’ve been half the distance from the spot of Banks’ block. Once we decided to accept their penalty the only possible outcome is to offset the penalties and replay the down.
 
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