Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[De La Cloobs]

Dobrucky's uncle said that Milton wasn't the best QB on the roster and that everyone is shaking their heads why he was the starter. He said Bailey was the clear best QB on the roster. Something like that.

Thank you, sir. Now who is Dobrucky and why should I care?

 

[orangejuice]

No, not at all. I think it’s very possible for it to be successful.

But I think in this league talent comes first and scheme comes second.

What Heupel does is essentially try to exhaust a defense - and more specifically, one particular CB, Safety, DE, etc. It can work and there’s nothing wrong with it.

But what I would prefer is simply recruiting good players and go head to head with the opposing team. Not trying to find a shortcut to success via gaming the snap count.

I would love that too, unfortunately I think I past coaches have tried that and only that. They forgot to actually scheme and or coach. I very much look forward fo recruiting better, but I think we are going to have to find some kind of way to make up the difference because we aren’t going to recruit our way back to the top without some success first.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Many folks will say Alabama truly became the dynasty they are when the offense caught up with the defense. I don’t dispute that at all. They have gotten faster and more “advanced” as well.

But the true difference maker is an advanced offense WITH elite talent. Air raid/high tempo offense without talent is just a gimmick to make up for said talent disadvantage. Ole Miss and Mississippi State, both this year and last, are examples worth watching.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Heupel will very likely have very good statistical offense here at Tennessee over multiple seasons. To dispute that would be asinine given his track record.

However, you can’t say you are sure that will ever equate to more than a 7 or 8 win season in this particular conference playing against this level of talent.

I think it could if QB play and overall talent upgrade on the roster are. You are correct that talent is the biggest part. Unfortunately talent upgrades don’t happen over night. I think we need continuity with coach, scheme etc. which is what we are going for this go round. Bottom line if you get great QB play you can win a lot of games in college football.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Anyway, it’s all repetitive at this point. This week will be a key indicator. Until then we’re all pontificating.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That is the most overhyped season I think I have ever seen. Go back and look at the teams they scored well against.

 

[greazy1722]

Gotta walk back my earlier trash talk.

 

[TheTimeIsNow]

I'm just happy to be undefeated. 1-0 baby

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

No, not at all. I think it’s very possible for it to be successful.

But I think in this league talent comes first and scheme comes second.

What Heupel does is essentially try to exhaust a defense - and more specifically, one particular CB, Safety, DE, etc. It can work and there’s nothing wrong with it.

But what I would prefer is simply recruiting good players and go head to head with the opposing team. Not trying to find a shortcut to success via gaming the snap count.

Do you honestly think that nobody wants to get more talent?

 

[orangejuice]

Many folks will say Alabama truly became the dynasty they are when the offense caught up with the defense. I don’t dispute that at all. They have gotten faster and more “advanced” as well.

But the true difference maker is an advanced offense WITH elite talent. Air raid/high tempo offense without talent is just a gimmick to make up for said talent disadvantage. Ole Miss and Mississippi State, both this year and last, are examples worth watching.

Well then I would say no matter what offense we run would be either gimmicky or just plain ineffective. Either we find a way to scheme around our talent gap or we bang our heads against the wall and blame the lack of talent. I would prefer to watch us try to scheme around the talent disadvantage all while improving our talent.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I think it could if QB play and overall talent upgrade on the roster are. You are correct that talent is the biggest part. Unfortunately talent upgrades don’t happen over night. I think we need continuity with coach, scheme etc. which is what we are going for this go round. Bottom line if you get great QB play you can win a lot of games in college football.

No doubt!

We have chosen this path so we need to stick to it. We need Heupel to work out. Need it. I don’t know where we turn if he doesn’t.

I am prepared for a three year blank check (assuming even small progression each year). But that doesn’t mean we have to pretend everything smells like roses.

 

[05_never_again]

Many folks will say Alabama truly became the dynasty they are when the offense caught up with the defense. I don’t dispute that at all. They have gotten faster and more “advanced” as well.

But the true difference maker is an advanced offense WITH elite talent. Air raid/high tempo offense without talent is just a gimmick to make up for said talent disadvantage. Ole Miss and Mississippi State, both this year and last, are examples worth watching.

So no matter what offense you run, if you have elite talent, then it's not a gimmick?

If Saban ran Leach's offense, then that would make it not a gimmick?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It’s more than a little disingenuous to act like no huddle, high speed offenses are a gimmick now. Anyone who watches football at ANY level has seen them be successful for spans of seasons at a time. Bowling Green may have figured it out but two or three throws/drops/penalties make that game 70 to 6.

Hell just froze over..I agree with you.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Well then I would say no matter what offense we run would be either gimmicky or just plain ineffective. Either we find a way to scheme around our talent gap or we bang our heads against the wall and blame the lack of talent. I would prefer to watch us try to scheme around the talent disadvantage all while improving our talent.

Seems like this should be the obvious mindset..

 

[KPT_VFL]

No doubt!

We have chosen this path so we need to stick to it. We need Heupel to work out. Need it. I don’t know where we turn if he doesn’t.

I am prepared for a three year blank check (assuming even small progression each year). But that doesn’t mean we have to pretend everything smells like roses.

No it doesn’t smell like roses. I was iffy on Milton last night. He didn’t see a lot of open receivers, he overthrew two big plays, Hyatt didn’t help him on a few plays. He’s got to improve. What gives me some pause on thinking he just sucks though that he hasn’t played in a long time. No spring ball, was injured etc. Next week may be the biggest game on our schedule. I think it’s winnable but they could easily beat us as well.

 

[yourstruly23]

Outside of UGA, any SEC teams losing this week?

 

[ACvol3]

No, but they had 10x the coaching and development. If only we had their coach!!!

My point!

 

[JT3]

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Outside of UGA, any SEC teams losing this week?

I highly doubt it. Rooting for Clemson tho.

 

[Smokeytom]

Watch the 2nd quarter of the BGSU game. Pitt is content to run a whole game like that, playing keepaway from our offense and controlling the game.

If Milton continues trying to hold the ball for 5 seconds behind the line, it's going to be rough. He's got to throw it or take off after 3 seconds.

Just watched it last night bro lol but my comment was more meant to point out that most people weren’t knighting Milton as the savior this preseason. Most were aware of the exact faults he showed last night.

 

[volbeast33]

It was two deep throws that he badly overthrew to a wide open Tillman..why do you keep saying one?

The second one was on the receiver bc he was suppose to stay outside….. the first one was a real bad throw by Milton.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

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Outside of UGA, any SEC teams losing this week?

Keep an eye on that LSU/UCLA game.

 

[Catbone]

Keep an eye on that LSU/UCLA game.

Agree

 

[Ashevolle]

What time do we play Bowling Green on Saturday?

 

[Glitch]

Against walk-ons “peRiOd”

Who do you think populated the BG defense?

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

I think under this logic, one could call Nolan Richardson's full court press at Arkansas a gimmick. All he did was win a national championship. Obviously a different sport and going back several years, but the two are comparable imo.

Obviously the up tempo style can be a double edged sword if you have a three and out, but every offense has its pros and cons.