Coronavirus (No politics)

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
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I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume prior infection provides a degree of protection. I wouldn’t argue with that, and don’t think most people would. I don’t really have a problem with anybody who’s been infected in the past 3-6 months waiting to get the shot.

I think it’s also pretty reasonable to assume that the further away from your infection/vaccine the less protection you have. Anybody who had the virus at the beginning of pandemic, was first in line for the vaccine, or hasn’t had either should probably get the vaccine.

The biggest issue I have with people avoiding the vaccine because they had covid, is many of these people say they “had covid” without actually getting tested. If you had symptoms and a positive test then my thoughts are the ones above. If you maybe/maybe not had it then get the vaccine.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This thing is just gonna keep mutating. What worked was distancing and hygiene. People acted like a rapidly developed vaccine was a license to ignore those practices and quickly spread it back around. Everyone spreads it. The next mutation may well be completely resistant to the vaccine. If people really want this virus to go away, stay home as much as you can.
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States that shut down fared no better than the States which remained open to some degree. We cannot paralyze our economy anymore.
 
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ndubvols said:
I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume prior infection provides a degree of protection. I wouldn’t argue with that, and don’t think most people would. I don’t really have a problem with anybody who’s been infected in the past 3-6 months waiting to get the shot.

I think it’s also pretty reasonable to assume that the further away from your infection/vaccine the less protection you have. Anybody who had the virus at the beginning of pandemic, was first in line for the vaccine, or hasn’t had either should probably get the vaccine.

The biggest issue I have with people avoiding the vaccine because they had covid, is many of these people say they “had covid” without actually getting tested. If you had symptoms and a positive test then my thoughts are the ones above. If you maybe/maybe not had it then get the vaccine.
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Same is true with the vaccine. VAX immunity wanes which is why they are talking about the booster shot.

The only reason I'm posting natural immunity is because it is never considered. We have vaccine mandates going up all over the country even though 1. Vaccine does not stop anyone from getting or spreading the virus, and 2. Natural immunity is actually better than the Vax. But natural immunity is never taken into consideration, all we hear is "shut up and take the shot" even though the shot isn't as effective as natural immunity is and the vaccine is showing to be pretty ineffective against the Delta.

Anyone who has had the virus can get the booster for added immunity, but it is misleading to tell someone who has had the virus that they need the vax when they do not. Besides, all the vaccine does is decrease likelihood of serious symptoms. It's not really a vaccine, it's a therapeutic. My body, my choice.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Nowhere have I denied that the vax helps with symptoms. Straw man.

Lack of peer review study as of yet does not disqualify the study. Look at the data. We know that the vaccine is not working other than lessening symptoms.
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Lessening symptoms and reducing hospitalizations IS helping.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Nowhere have I denied that the vax helps with symptoms. Straw man.

Lack of peer review study as of yet does not disqualify the study. Look at the data. We know that the vaccine is not working other than lessening symptoms.
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Lack of peer review ABSOLUTELY disqualifies every study. Without peer review there’s no way to verify the data is accurate nor if the conclusions are valid. This issue has been manipulated and politicized to death. There are lots of people intentionally presenting their opinions as fact. Scientific peer review or it is just more propaganda and shouldn’t even be published.
 
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LWSVOL said:
if you have any type symptom, you have to get tested. They don't do weekly testing as long as over 85% of team is vaccinated. But get a cold, you get tested to see if its COVID.
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Ok that’s what I thought. So this in conjunction w the scheduling policy would certainly seem to put pressure on teams to surpass that 85% mark.
 
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walkenvol said:
Lack of peer review ABSOLUTELY disqualifies every study. Without peer review there’s no way to verify the data is accurate nor if the conclusions are valid. This issue has been manipulated and politicized to death. There are lots of people intentionally presenting their opinions as fact. Scientific peer review or it is just more propaganda and shouldn’t even be published.
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Then literally 98% of what is posted in this thread should be ignored. The vast majority are Tik Tok videos and anecdotal stories.

This study hasn't been peer reviewed "as of yet." It will be. And when it is, I'm sure you'll change your position. :rolleyes:
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Then literally 98% of what is posted in this thread should be ignored. The vast majority are Tik Tok videos and anecdotal stories.

This study hasn't been peer reviewed "as of yet." It will be. And when it is, I'm sure you'll change your position. :rolleyes:
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Shhhh don’t make too much sense to the woke mob
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Then literally 98% of what is posted in this thread should be ignored. The vast majority are Tik Tok videos and anecdotal stories.

This study hasn't been peer reviewed "as of yet." It will be. And when it is, I'm sure you'll change your position. :rolleyes:
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Once again your attempting to presume I have some strong position which unlike you is false. I know this virus is new and the scientific community is scrambling to find resolutions. Because it’s a pandemic we are seeing scientists making recommendations on the best information they have available at that particular time. As more became known the recommendations were adjusted. Folks with emotional preconceived opinions point to the evolution of the process and attempt to cast doubt on everything that doesn’t line up with their opinions. Your damn right I will accept peer reviewed studies and will continue to educate myself with legit information from which I will attempt to make the best choices for myself and my family. Wish everyone could remove the drama and keep their minds open to the process. Unfortunately when someone with no qualifications beyond being a Google jockey decides they know better than the folks who dedicate their education and lives to the field it stands to reason they are personally attached to their position regardless of what we learn.
 
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golfballs said:
Ok that’s what I thought. So this in conjunction w the scheduling policy would certainly seem to put pressure on teams to surpass that 85% mark.
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Even if 100% vaccinated, there is going to be COVID spread. There is going to be players AND coaches get COVID and miss games. If enough players get affected, teams will end up forfeiting. Its gonna happen.

When you read this, it is clear that people with COVID have to isolate. Just like Titans have had a dozen people in isolation including the head coach and QB
 
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walkenvol said:
Once again your attempting to presume I have some strong position which unlike you is false. I know this virus is new and the scientific community is scrambling to find resolutions. Because it’s a pandemic we are seeing scientists making recommendations on the best information they have available at that particular time. As more became known the recommendations were adjusted. Folks with emotional preconceived opinions point to the evolution of the process and attempt to cast doubt on everything that doesn’t line up with their opinions. Your damn right I will accept peer reviewed studies and will continue to educate myself with legit information from which I will attempt to make the best choices for myself and my family. Wish everyone could remove the drama and keep their minds open to the process. Unfortunately when someone with no qualifications beyond being a Google jockey decides they know better than the folks who dedicate their education and lives to the field it stands to reason they are personally attached to their position regardless of what we learn.
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I'm posting scientific studies that speak of the benefits of Natural immunity. Your last sentence is idiotic. But tell me again that you're not strongly holding to a position.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Natural immunity helps more.
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So we should just let everyone get it? What are the effects of long term COVID vs the vaccine? What are the percentages of perceived healthy people being hospitalized or dying vs those who get the vaccine?

Sure natural immunity can play a role but the casualties of that approach are going to be exponentially higher.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
So we should just let everyone get it? What are the effects of long term COVID vs the vaccine? What are the percentages of perceived healthy people being hospitalized or dying vs those who get the vaccine?

Sure natural immunity can play a role but the casualties of that approach are going to be exponentially higher.
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No, not everyone should get it. The point is, not everyone needs the vaccine in the first place, and certainly those with natural immunity do not need them, and mandates are not only foolish to begin with, but they are even more foolish when natural immunity is not taken into account.
 
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Impossible to discuss the topic with you as you are emotionally attached to the idea that vaccines aren’t an effective tool and natural immunity is the only answer as shown by your ongoing stream of posts.

Maybe if it’s said enough times it will sink in - an article you find on the internet talking about a study that has not passed peer review is in no way yet an accepted scientific study and in no way can be accepted as factual.

Mistakes may have been made, conclusions drawn from insufficient sample sizes, or even possible a total fabrication. How can a reasonably intelligent person not understand this?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Even if 100% vaccinated, there is going to be COVID spread. There is going to be players AND coaches get COVID and miss games. If enough players get affected, teams will end up forfeiting. Its gonna happen.

When you read this, it is clear that people with COVID have to isolate. Just like Titans have had a dozen people in isolation including the head coach and QB
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Sure but just because there might be some spread doesn’t mean it’s not advantageous to get over 85% vaxxed. It will undoubtedly reduce the odds of testing positive - if only for the fact there wouldn’t be as much testing. The Vax also reduces the chance of spread and symptoms especially in that demographic. From a policy perspective it is definitely beneficial to get everyone vaxxed.
 
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walkenvol said:
Impossible to discuss the topic with you as you are emotionally attached to the idea that vaccines aren’t an effective tool and natural immunity is the only answer as shown by your ongoing stream of posts.

Maybe if it’s said enough times it will sink in - an article you find on the internet talking about a study that has not passed peer review is in no way yet an accepted scientific study and in no way can be accepted as factual.

Mistakes may have been made, conclusions drawn from insufficient sample sizes, or even possible a total fabrication. How can a reasonably intelligent person not understand this?
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another straw man. I've never said that vaccines aren't effective. Never. I've said it today. I've never denied that they decrease symptoms or that they help.

You're so emotional you can't actually read my posts.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
another straw man. I've never said that vaccines aren't effective. Never. I've said it today. I've never denied that they decrease symptoms or that they help.

You're so emotional you can't actually read my posts.
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I’ve read your countless posts on this topic and have a clear picture of what you’ve been selling
 
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golfballs said:
Sure but just because there might be some spread doesn’t mean it’s not advantageous to get over 85% vaxxed. It will undoubtedly reduce the odds of testing positive - if only for the fact there wouldn’t be as much testing. The Vax also reduces the chance of spread and symptoms especially in that demographic. From a policy perspective it is definitely beneficial to get everyone vaxxed.
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agreed all need to be vaxed.

I think the Titans issues indicates there is going to be spread, Its not just players spreading but everyone they are around everyday, other students, support staff, family, coaches, medical staff, staff within the athletic dorm, etc. The players are not isolated from hundreds of others including a huge number not under the athletic domain..

per policy, any symptom requires getting a test.. a positive test requires isolation.. a positive test of an individual requires some exposure testing to others in contact. a positive test of those in contact requires some follow-up of that person.. So lots has to happen once positive tests start showing up..
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Same is true with the vaccine. VAX immunity wanes which is why they are talking about the booster shot.

The only reason I'm posting natural immunity is because it is never considered. We have vaccine mandates going up all over the country even though 1. Vaccine does not stop anyone from getting or spreading the virus, and 2. Natural immunity is actually better than the Vax. But natural immunity is never taken into consideration, all we hear is "shut up and take the shot" even though the shot isn't as effective as natural immunity is and the vaccine is showing to be pretty ineffective against the Delta.

Anyone who has had the virus can get the booster for added immunity, but it is misleading to tell someone who has had the virus that they need the vax when they do not. Besides, all the vaccine does is decrease likelihood of serious symptoms. It's not really a vaccine, it's a therapeutic. My body, my choice.
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Your looking for arguments if your arguing with what I said. I said the vaccine immunity wanes, same with natural immunity which is why I said if someone was vaccinated early or infected early they should get another dose.

I think natural immunity isn’t factored in because for most people it’s harder to prove, however I’d be for including it for these restrictions/requirements if someone has a positive test and can actually provide results.

Neither the vaccine or prior infection stop people from getting the virus, however they both help prevent it.

Which one is more effective is probably too early to definitively say and likely depends on the strain someone had initially/their viral load/etc.

I wouldn’t say it’s misleading to have people get the vaccine if they’ve already had the virus. It still bolsters immunity.
 
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