Coronavirus (No politics)

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SpringBokVol said:
They said PCR tests, so that is not the rapid kind. I agree with you, they should do that
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It's what Bonnaroo is doing. It just makes good sense for everyone and makes it very flexible. It takes 15 minutes to get the test results they said.

I believe the Saints were doing something similar. Or maybe even offering vaccines outside the stadium iirc. That's how you get the South to get vaxxed - put it between us and our football 😭
 
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Devo182 said:
It's what Bonnaroo is doing. It just makes good sense for everyone and makes it very flexible. It takes 15 minutes to get the test results they said.

I believe the Saints were doing something similar. Or maybe even offering vaccines outside the stadium iirc. That's how you get the South to get vaxxed - put it between us and our football 😭
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Went to a wedding in NYC in July and this is what they did for us “ignorant, selfish unvaccinated people”
 
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Glitch said:
The vaccine is supposed to have efficacy rates in the upper 90%. If it works so well then why are so many vaxxed people getting covid? Or are the vaccines just not as effective as first suspected and then it comes back to why should I get it.

From Moneyball:
"If he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?"

If the vaccine is so good at preventing covid, why doesn't it prevent covid?
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Where did 90% come from? The flu shot has between 40-60% effective rates every year. The rest of the 60-40% then usually mitigates the symptoms. People haven't said that you can never get it if you get vaccinated. If so, they are wrong. It's about probabilities. But, it's common sense, which is has truly been lost these days.
 
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I have to ask something, just for my own understanding as to what people believe.

1. Are other countries so divided on the vax? Or is that just an American thing because we are a country that is innately programmed to hate one another and stay divided?

2. For those thinking the vax is a government control tactic, do you mean the American government? Are all governments in cahoots trying to control their countries using the same method, or is America trying to control the entire population of the planet? How would it be an American government control tactic if all other countries are also pushing masks and the shot?

I’m not on any side really, I just genuinely want to understand. The division in this country over everything has to be abnormal.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
I have to ask something, just for my own understanding as to what people believe.

1. Are other countries so divided on the vax? Or is that just an American thing because we are a country that is innately programmed to hate one another and stay divided?

2. For those thinking the vax is a government control tactic, do you mean the American government? Are all governments in cahoots trying to control their countries using the same method, or is America trying to control the entire population of the planet? How would it be an American government control tactic if all other countries are also pushing masks and the shot?

I’m not on any side really, I just genuinely want to understand. The division in this country over everything has to be abnormal.
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Third world countries can’t even get the vax mostly from my understanding. Australia is in full communism at this point. Most of Europe is protesting “mandates” even though over 50% have been vaccinated. America, it’s been so politicized (I know the title says no politics) but that’s what has caused most the divisiveness. Plus “forcing” Americans to do something just doesn’t go well
 
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knox-townVOL said:
I have to ask something, just for my own understanding as to what people believe.

1. Are other countries so divided on the vax? Or is that just an American thing because we are a country that is innately programmed to hate one another and stay divided?

2. For those thinking the vax is a government control tactic, do you mean the American government? Are all governments in cahoots trying to control their countries using the same method, or is America trying to control the entire population of the planet? How would it be an American government control tactic if all other countries are also pushing masks and the shot?

I’m not on any side really, I just genuinely want to understand. The division in this country over everything has to be abnormal.
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Have you seen the massive protests in Europe over having to show proof of vaccination? They seem to think governments are taking advantage of the situation.
 
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davethevol said:
Have you seen the massive protests in Europe over having to show proof of vaccination? They seem to think governments are taking advantage of the situation.
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Look at Australia. I find it extremely comical that people can see what’s happening in Australia and just go on and follow blindly our government as tho they wouldn’t do the same thing if they could get away with it
 
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davethevol said:
Have you seen the massive protests in Europe over having to show proof of vaccination? They seem to think governments are taking advantage of the situation.
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I have not, that’s good to know. So then our division here is based on the idea that Dems are trying to control us and other governments are trying to use the same method?
 
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Jack Burton said:
If Ole Miss can hit 100% vax rate then we should too. Maybe they’re counting those with antibodies as vaccinated.
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Lane sold them just like Saban - it's a competitive advantage (assuming any other teams don't also hit 99-100%). "As a team, let's get every advantage we can."

Don't think we're all that far behind. VQ said we'd pass 85% very soon and iirc that was last week. Said guys continue to get them.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
I have not, that’s good to know. So then our division here is based on the idea that Dems are trying to control us and other governments are trying to use the same method?
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Ally of Dems don’t want the vaccine as well….. people that choose not to get the vaccine has many different reasons why they choose not to get the vaccine.
 
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Catbone said:
Yeah it's going to be an utter cluster f***
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I think it should go a lot better than last year though if 80, 90, or 100% of players AND staff are vaxxed on a lot of teams.

The only way the vaxxed players would ever have to test is if they show symptoms. That cuts contact tracing way way down.
 
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BruinVol said:
Was that the draw of it when it first was offered?

I don’t recall that being mentioned until it started being known it wasn’t working well with keeping people from getting it around the CWS time
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That was always a big point. That and decreasing odds of getting it.

There's a reason a huge majority of ICU'd people are unvaxxed. It's a huge point...but so is decreasing chances of contracting it by 60-70% (Delta - Phizer).
 
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If a vaccinated person can catch and transmit COVID, how does showing proof of vaccination prevent/limit spread? Simple answer seems to be that it won't. If limiting/preventing spread is the goal, you should require a negative test from everyone. Even then, when you're talking about 10s of thousands of people getting together, you're going to have some people who get exposed between time of testing and time of the event.
 
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tnvols72 said:
From the Biden White House
The rules of the game are very simple: White House Staff isn’t required to be vaccinated, but you and your children are.They want to force the jab on Americans but when it comes to them I guess its their body , their choice

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Not to get political. Just a simple question - who have they forced to be vaccinated? There's no mandate afaik from the WH.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
If a vaccinated person can catch and transmit COVID, how does showing proof of vaccination prevent/limit spread? Simple answer seems to be that it won't. If limiting/preventing spread is the goal, you should require a negative test from everyone. Even then, when you're talking about 10s of thousands of people getting together, you're going to have some people who get exposed between time of testing and time of the event.
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Simple statistics - it lessens the chances.

It's not that complicated. It's like any vaccine and kids and students have to get a bunch just to attend school. Nobody cared about that. But do suddenly over this. One word - politics. Just look at Vax rates by blue/red/swing state. It couldn't be clearer. Political and it's sad for those people in those communities that are doing all the right things, but are surrounded by very misinformed people.

But very glad teams are vaxxing up. If they can for their brothers and sisters, maybe folks will learn from them, get educated about it, and do something for their brothers and sisters.
 
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Devo182 said:
Simple statistics - it lessens the chances.

It's not that complicated. It's like any vaccine and kids and students have to get a bunch just to attend school. Nobody cared about that. But do suddenly over this. One word - politics. Just look at Vax rates by blue/red/swing state. It couldn't be clearer. Political and it's sad for those people in those communities that are doing all the right things, but are surrounded by very misinformed people.

But very glad teams are vaxxing up. If they can for their brothers and sisters, maybe folks will learn from them, get educated about it, and do something for their brothers and sisters.
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but the effective rate is supposedly around 2/3 against Delta. maybe they get 75,000 people up there for most conference games this year. maybe 20% of those go the test route, leaving 60,000 vaccinated people and roughly 20,000 of those may as well not be vaccinated (based on the effective rate). it's better than throwing the doors open and having maybe 50% unvaccinated in the stands, but 20,000 is still a hell of a lot. this doesn't even factor in the numbers who may have already passed the 8-month threshold since being vaccinated. i feel like, if they were really serious about stopping this, they would play in empty stadiums again this season.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
but the effective rate is supposedly around 2/3 against Delta. maybe they get 75,000 people up there for most conference games this year. maybe 20% of those go the test route, leaving 60,000 vaccinated people and roughly 20,000 of those may as well not be vaccinated (based on the effective rate). it's better than throwing the doors open and having maybe 50% unvaccinated in the stands, but 20,000 is still a hell of a lot. this doesn't even factor in the numbers who may have already passed the 8-month threshold since being vaccinated. i feel like, if they were really serious about stopping this, they would play in empty stadiums again this season.
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Yeah, I agree. It’s a waste of time and resources. I doubt LSU will stay with this policy very long.
 
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People get vaccinated. Our hospitals are being overwhelmed by the unvaccinated. I have friends and family that are having to delay elective surgeries because the hospitals have them on hold as a result. I’m fortunate to live in a state like Florida where we haven’t had to deal with all the lockdowns other states have had to deal with. The ones of us who are smart, are the ones getting vaccinated and wearing masks indoors now because of how contagious the delta variant is and we aren’t the ones filling up the hospital. Nobody is making us wear masks indoors here but I see more and more people complying because we care about our neighbors.
 
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Devo182 said:
Simple statistics - it lessens the chances.

It's not that complicated. It's like any vaccine and kids and students have to get a bunch just to attend school. Nobody cared about that. But do suddenly over this. One word - politics. Just look at Vax rates by blue/red/swing state. It couldn't be clearer. Political and it's sad for those people in those communities that are doing all the right things, but are surrounded by very misinformed people.

But very glad teams are vaxxing up. If they can for their brothers and sisters, maybe folks will learn from them, get educated about it, and do something for their brothers and sisters.
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Right, politics. I can point you to a number of videos of dem “leaders” saying they would not trust nor take the vaccine if trump was president. Now we are supposed to believe them? Yikes. Forgive me for the political post but this is reality
 
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My ER has been totally slammed over the past three weeks. We have (and still have our share of) COVID+ admit holds, as well as other ICU holds. Our ICU is full, 7/8 are COVID+, if I'm not mistaken, and there's not another ICU bed to be found, basically anywhere, in NC. We extubated a non-COVID COPD exacerbation earlier today, but she's still on BiPAP. She came in last Wednesday morning, we had to intubate her last Thursday morning (subsequently, she coded) and she's still hanging out in our ER. She's on a waitlist at a hospital near Charlotte (approx. 150 miles away) and she's #63 on that list. Another non-COVID guy, still on the vent, had to go from ER to the OR yesterday evening, and then come back to the ER. He's waitlisted at Emory in Atlanta. Another COVID+ that we're holding, we might have been able to get her to an ICU/dialysis bed.....in Reston, VA (only 500+ miles away) if we only could get her transported there. Her room air O2 sat yesterday afternoon when I landed her was 47%.

It's not just COVID that's suffering.
 
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