Coronavirus (No politics)

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KnoxLandcruiser said:
mad4vols graph is zoomed way in, based on a slightly different metric (7 day average case count vs rates per 100,000 of population) and then the graph is grossly "narrowed" to look as ominous as possible.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but that's pretty much what you get from the media these days when agenda meets data.
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It's so obvious and sad. All about pushing fear and panic
 
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Regulator said:
Just learned a friend of mine is on the vent with COVID. He’s 35, has a little boy.
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That's rough.

In 2016 when my daughter-in-law got H1N1, she was on a vent for 7 days. Unless you've spent time with someone on a ventilator, you really can't imagine how bad it is. I couldn't at least.
 
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lukeneyland said:
That happened and it was awful, and I certainly would. But it happened both ways with individual incidents often being unrelated. It’s also worth noting that most of North America was completely uninhabited at the point the English arrived. Most of the natives on the continent died of small pox that was inadvertently introduced by the Spanish a few hundred years earlier. It was logical for the English to Colonize as so few natives were perceived to exist
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Perceived... To the point you are trying to make, most Native American Tribes lived close to and around water ways. Which makes sense considering every protein producing food source lives near or around water. They were not metropolitan. The Eastern sea board which the English settled in were definitely inhabited as you say by Tribes like the Cherokee, Catawba , Chickasaw, Choctaw, Apalachee and Seminole are mostly know. The others who inhabited just the SE are The Yuchi, Creek, Guale, Timucua, Calusa, Caddo, Tunica, Natchez and Chitmacha. Not many know of these Tribes. Then comes the Northeast regions that commons know, Shawnee,Mohawk, Mohican, Montauk, Mohegan.... seems faint right ?... Add in the Tuscarora, Pamlico, Powhatan, Conoy, Nanitoke, Wappinger,Pequot, Narraganset, Niantic, Wompanoag, Nauset, Bipmuc, Malecite, Mi'Kmaq, Passamaquoddy, Penobscot, Abenaki, Pennacook, Pocomtuc, Iroquois, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, Susquehannock, Wenrohronon...... Quite a few sectors to be unihabited. Lol please don't tell me of how it was uninhabited, as they took the lands and used these people for slaves, starved them and beat them. Along with raping and killing the women and children. So yeah I can see why the fighting tribes started killing the white man that was trespassing.
 
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davethevol said:
How many of the kids have another health issue as well? There was a story here in Knoxville about a girl who was in the ICU because of Covid. At the very end of the story it was mentioned in passing that she had been discharged with Covid but had come down with RSV before the ICU visit. So much isn’t being told to the public in terms of kids sick with Covid.
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Just speaking in generalities, you are correct that a majority have an underlying history that increases their risk of complications, however in the last 3 weeks we have seen this shift to were we are seeing normal healthy kids have complications from an acute Covid illness. This wasn't the case at our institution in the previous year. To say this is related to the Delta variant I cannot provide that info.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Perceived... To the point you are trying to make, most Native American Tribes lived close to and around water ways. Which makes sense considering every protein producing food source lives near or around water. They were not metropolitan. The Eastern sea board which the English settled in were definitely inhabited as you say by Tribes like the Cherokee, Catawba , Chickasaw, Choctaw, Apalachee and Seminole are mostly know. The others who inhabited just the SE are The Yuchi, Creek, Guale, Timucua, Calusa, Caddo, Tunica, Natchez and Chitmacha. Not many know of these Tribes. Then comes the Northeast regions that commons know, Shawnee,Mohawk, Mohican, Montauk, Mohegan.... seems faint right ?... Add in the Tuscarora, Pamlico, Powhatan, Conoy, Nanitoke, Wappinger,Pequot, Narraganset, Niantic, Wompanoag, Nauset, Bipmuc, Malecite, Mi'Kmaq, Passamaquoddy, Penobscot, Abenaki, Pennacook, Pocomtuc, Iroquois, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, Susquehannock, Wenrohronon...... Quite a few sectors to be unihabited. Lol please don't tell me of how it was uninhabited, as they took the lands and used these people for slaves, starved them and beat them. Along with raping and killing the women and children. So yeah I can see why the fighting tribes started killing the white man that was trespassing.
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one side won and one side lost. get over it. if it's so bad here, there are plenty of other countries you can go live in and plenty of people around the world who would happily take your spot here.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
one side won and one side lost. get over it. if it's so bad here, there are plenty of other countries you can go live in and plenty of people around the world who would happily take your spot here.
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Can you legitimately read Hillbilly ? If so please show me where exactly I said anything other than what we all know is true ? Do you think America is squeaky CLEAN ? The answer is **** no. Would I trade it for anywhere else ? Not a chabce in hell. That doesn't change facts. So please feel free to ignore me if you do like what I have to say. I certainly did not yank your twisted chain. Piss off
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
If this thing keeps mutating to say a 70 percent lethality rate we are screwed.
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Hopefully, it never gets anywhere close to that. I'm not really sure what's causing these mutations, maybe it's the way it was designed (assuming man made) and maybe nature (evolution). I'm not a virologist and don't really understand how these things work but it seems to me that if you have a virus that is able to penetrate the human immune system, that virus has no need to mutate. However, if you put antibodies in its way that can't fully stop it from getting a foothold but will a fight against it once it is inside the human body then that's where the virus is going to have a real need to mutate in order to survive. This is just a common sense observation and I understand that a lot scientific principles don't necessarily follow common sense. Otherwise, we'd have all gotten As in Biology and Chemistry.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Hopefully, it never gets anywhere close to that. I'm not really sure what's causing these mutations, maybe it's the way it was designed (assuming man made) and maybe nature (evolution). I'm not a virologist and don't really understand how these things work but it seems to me that if you have a virus that is able to penetrate the human immune system, that virus has no need to mutate. However, if you put antibodies in its way that can't fully stop it from getting a foothold but will a fight against it once it is inside the human body then that's where the virus is going to have a real need to mutate in order to survive. This is just a common sense observation and I understand that a lot scientific principles don't necessarily follow common sense. Otherwise, we'd have all gotten As in Biology and Chemistry.
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. It’s a weird and unpredictable virus I strongly believe it was man made but I don’t think we will ever be able to prove it. There will always be suspicion over this though.
 
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BisonVol said:
I mean, obviously you're correct in saying we'd be screwed, but that seems like an enormous if considering the fatality rate isn't and never has been anywhere close to that number.
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Highly unlikely that it gets that deadly sorry I watched that movie Contagion the other day and it went to my head lol
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Buddy. Look at those numbers. 1.8 is the highest for 5-18 year olds, 1.0 is the highest for 0-4 year olds. The numbers are the same. Even the spikes are tiny, which is why the graph I posted shows them being virtually identical throughout he entire pandemic. And they are already trending down.

If this were not covid, and were flu, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because no one would be talking about it. Even when those hospitalizations were at their peak, deaths weren't happening either. Again, more children died in the 2018-19 flu season than have died in a year and a half from covid.

What measures did we take for children then?
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Again, just speaking anecdotally.....If we had as many critically ill children in my unit with influenza as we have had Covid in the last 3 weeks, alarm bells would certainly be signaled. Now, should mass panic ensue, of course not.....but neither should just brushing it off as if nothing happened.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
The thing is, I've never been arrested or kicked out of somewhere because I choose not to wear one in an establishment that requires it. That "don't like it" attitude is also a reason I act the way I do. If they don't say anything to me, I won't say anything to them. The other day, I had to grab some things from Sams Club, they had just put up the sign saying a mask was required to walk in. I walked in without one, they didn't say anything, so I didn't say anything. It's that easy.
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You appear to view this from a bubble without regard for the other folks in the store. My 80 something parents wouldn’t say anything to you about not being masked, but you would spoil their shopping experience as they would be attempting to stay way away from you in the store. Obviously you don’t give a damn about things like that right? I’m mean screw them if they believe masks as mandated by the authorities helps keep them safe.
 
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walkenvol said:
You appear to view this from a bubble without regard for the other folks in the store. My 80 something parents wouldn’t say anything to you about not being masked, but you would spoil their shopping experience as they would be attempting to stay way away from you in the store. Obviously you don’t give a damn about things like that right? I’m mean screw them if they believe masks as mandated by the authorities helps keep them safe.
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First, I wouldn’t be blatantly walking around a store, getting in people’s spaces for zero reason. Second, you just plainly stated that you believe mandates are okay. They’re not, have a nice evening.
 
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