Coronavirus (No politics)

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Again, while there may be some hospitals experiencing some surges, look at this chart. It is directly from the CDC. Notice the line. It has not moved since covid began. The risk for children is still extremely low. More children died in the 2018-19 flu season than have died from covid in a year and a half. Nobody panicked.

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I'm not telling you to panic or not to panic. I'm just telling you reality. Yes, you are correct in the risk is low, however to say the risk is not there isn't exactly telling the whole story either. What you choose to do with that information is up to you or anyone else.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Again, while there may be some hospitals experiencing some surges, look at this chart. It is directly from the CDC. Notice the line. It has not moved since covid began. The risk for children is still extremely low. More children died in the 2018-19 flu season than have died from covid in a year and a half. Nobody panicked.

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I would also like to see a graph of pediatric (< 18) hospitizations only since the beginning of the pandemic. As I mentioned, ours have dramatically risen over the past three weeks far surpassing the entire previous time. We do not report which variant the child has so I have no way of knowing. In our area, overall positive cases are way down from the peak last year, however our hospitalized pediatric cases are up at least 3 fold.
 
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jp1 said:
I would also like to see a graph of pediatric (< 18) hospitizations only since the beginning of the pandemic. As I mentioned, ours have dramatically risen over the past three weeks far surpassing the entire previous time. We do not report which variant the child has so I have no way of knowing. In our area, overall positive cases are way down from the peak last year, however our hospitalized pediatric cases are up at least 3 fold.
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Record pediatric hospitalization trajectory—surpassing winter pandemic peak. And this is August, historically the lowest season for pediatric hospitalizations. Delta variant surge will worsen for kids.

This article has a graph

Pediatric Covid-19 hospitalizations just soared past January.

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BigALWiLson said:
Wouldn't you fight, when they were taking your lands treating you like barbarians and killing your people not to mention raping their women and Starving you out? Europeans were not owed this land. They took it. It is history. They didn't come here armed looking to share.
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That happened and it was awful, and I certainly would. But it happened both ways with individual incidents often being unrelated. It’s also worth noting that most of North America was completely uninhabited at the point the English arrived. Most of the natives on the continent died of small pox that was inadvertently introduced by the Spanish a few hundred years earlier. It was logical for the English to Colonize as so few natives were perceived to exist
 
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Jab or don't, but start respecting the guidelines set by establishments that require a mask.

The one who can't or won't read are the ones pissing me off. You are not entitled to shop without shoes, a shirt, and in some places, a mask.

Don't like it? Shop elsewhere.
 
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sona said:
Jab or don't, but start respecting the guidelines set by establishments that require a mask.

The one who can't or won't read are the ones pissing me off. You are not entitled to shop without shoes, a shirt, and in some places, a mask.

Don't like it? Shop elsewhere.
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The thing is, I've never been arrested or kicked out of somewhere because I choose not to wear one in an establishment that requires it. That "don't like it" attitude is also a reason I act the way I do. If they don't say anything to me, I won't say anything to them. The other day, I had to grab some things from Sams Club, they had just put up the sign saying a mask was required to walk in. I walked in without one, they didn't say anything, so I didn't say anything. It's that easy.
 
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jp1 said:
To be fair, your graph included > 65 yr also. I cant vouch for the validity of either graph, just pointing out that they are showing something completely different.
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Look at the very bottom. I know it's hard to see. But the gold and the grey are children under 18.

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So much for the spike... It is virtually the same as it has been from the beginning for children all across the US. And hospitalizations for all people are nowhere near what they were back in January, and are already trending down.

Here is the link: COVID-19 Hospitalizations

These are facts taken directly from the CDC, but because they don't agree with the narrative being pushed by some (not you), they are rejected. And I was accused of confirmation bias...
 
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vols 30 said:
Same attitude in Tennesse. I had a relative in the hospital back in the spring with covid. He's still not 100%

He still will tell anybody it's a joke and they shouldn't get the Vaccine. Why? Politics
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That’s sad… and a bit pathetic.
 
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Weezer said:
So 5 months later, I finally got my second Moderna shot. I feel like crap. Been running a fever all night. And hey, because I'm immunosuppressed, I get to take a third one in a month. Yay me!
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Wife and I both ran fevers the night after the 2nd moderne shot and felt generally crappy for 2-3 days
 
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jp1 said:
To be fair, your graph included > 65 yr also. I cant vouch for the validity of either graph, just pointing out that they are showing something completely different.
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I think the difference is due to what is actually being plotted on the Y axis. The Inside Medicine is showing the total number of hospitalizations whereas the CDC is showing the number/100,000 populations.

So an increase from <100 total per day to around 300 per day looks dramatic on that scale, but when you divide both by 100,000 and plot on the same scale as for adults, it hardly shows up at all.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Look at the very bottom. I know it's hard to see. But the gold and the grey are children under 18.

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So much for the spike... It is virtually the same as it has been from the beginning for children all across the US. And hospitalizations for all people are nowhere near what they were back in January, and are already trending down.
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Yet . . . when I go to the same site and take out everybody over 18 it reduces the scale and the graph looks eerily similar. I agree that the impact to kids under 18 has stayed low, but it has increased relative to everyone else as a percentage change. There are still spikes in January and August. They're just relative spikes because of the scale of the graph.

You can make these numbers look a lot of different ways. 1.8 cases/100,000 isn't very many, but if somebody says "Covid cases among children are up 300% in the past month", they're not really lying either. They're just talking about numbers that are pretty insignifcant.


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GAVol said:
Yet . . . when I go to the same site and take out everybody over 18 it reduces the scale and the graph looks eerily similar. I agree that the impact to kids under 18 has stayed low, but it has increased relative to everyone else as a percentage change. There are still spikes in January and August. They're just relative spikes because of the scale of the graph. You can make these numbers look a lot of different ways.


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Buddy. Look at those numbers. 1.8 is the highest for 5-18 year olds, 1.0 is the highest for 0-4 year olds. The numbers are the same. Even the spikes are tiny, which is why the graph I posted shows them being virtually identical throughout he entire pandemic. And they are already trending down.

If this were not covid, and were flu, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because no one would be talking about it. Even when those hospitalizations were at their peak, deaths weren't happening either. Again, more children died in the 2018-19 flu season than have died in a year and a half from covid.

What measures did we take for children then?
 
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jp1 said:
I would also like to see a graph of pediatric (< 18) hospitizations only since the beginning of the pandemic. As I mentioned, ours have dramatically risen over the past three weeks far surpassing the entire previous time. We do not report which variant the child has so I have no way of knowing. In our area, overall positive cases are way down from the peak last year, however our hospitalized pediatric cases are up at least 3 fold.
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How many of the kids have another health issue as well? There was a story here in Knoxville about a girl who was in the ICU because of Covid. At the very end of the story it was mentioned in passing that she had been discharged with Covid but had come down with RSV before the ICU visit. So much isn’t being told to the public in terms of kids sick with Covid.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Buddy. Look at those numbers. 1.8 is the highest for 5-18 year olds, 1.0 is the highest for 0-4 year olds. The numbers are the same. Even the spikes are tiny, which is why the graph I posted shows them being virtually identical throughout he entire pandemic. And they are already trending down.

If this were not covid, and were flu, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because no one would be talking about it.
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I literally edited my post while you were quoting this one and basically acknowledged exactly what you just said. The numbers have increased significantly as a percentage, but the overall number for under 18 has remained low.
 
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davethevol said:
How many of the kids have another health issue as well? There was a story here in Knoxville about a girl who was in the ICU because of Covid. At the very end of the story it was mentioned in passing that she had been discharged with Covid but had come down with RSV before the ICU visit. So much isn’t being told to the public in terms of kids sick with Covid.
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The vast, vast majority of children who are hospitalized and/or who have died from covid were severely impacted by other health issues. I've seen some statistics, but don't remember what they were. But they have heart defects, or they have cancer, or some other terrible disease. The stories of little Johnny perfectly healthy running on the playground one day and then getting covid and dying are nonexistent.
 
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GAVol said:
I literally edited my post while you were quoting this one and basically acknowledged exactly what you just said.
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I see that. And you're right. So when we say "they're up 300%!" That sounds scary. But in reality, these are not significant numbers at all. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make.

All hospitalizations and deaths are bad. But we are not seeing some crazy spike in the young hospitalized or dying from this virus. Thankfully.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I see that. And you're right. So when we say "they're up 300%!" That sounds scary. But in reality, these are not significant numbers at all. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make.

All hospitalizations and deaths are bad. But we are not seeing some crazy spike in the young hospitalized or dying from this virus. Thankfully.
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Exactly . . . It's a perfect example of statistics without context.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
The vast, vast majority of children who are hospitalized and/or who have died from covid were severely impacted by other health issues. I've seen some statistics, but don't remember what they were. But they have heart defects, or they have cancer, or some other terrible disease. The stories of little Johnny perfectly healthy running on the playground one day and then getting covid and dying are nonexistent.
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It would be helpful to post that if you can find it. Also, it might give an indication of what type of children need to get vaccinated. Just my guess but kids with respiratory problems, heart issues or who are morbidly obese may be at much higher risk of severe covid.
 
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mad4vols graph is zoomed way in, based on a slightly different metric (7 day average case count vs rates per 100,000 of population) and then the graph is grossly "narrowed" to look as ominous as possible.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but that's pretty much what you get from the media these days when agenda meets data.
 
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