Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[NorthDallas40]

You and the governor remind me of this idiot from the movie Jaws (See below). If you think Desantis cares about anything but $$$$$$, I have some beach front property in Nevada for you. Why do I think I just as well should be talking to a mule? Good bye!!!!!

LMAO got two replies huh? That’s what the fourth “well bye” from your ass now?

You’re trying too hard Homer. And I’m just fine right here in Texas. Have you considered California or Oregon?

 

[615vols]

Biden handled it, exactly how Trump would have.... and yes, it is foolish.

Biden is president. This has happened under his “leadership”, and I have a hard time using that word in association with that fool. Your little fantasy land, what if scenarios do not matter. It is truly fascinating to see how consumed liberals are with Donald trump. It’s literally all you guys can see or talk about in any situation or scenario. You need help.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

CNN is hammering the Biden admin. You never saw this with Fox and Trump.

This is just one quick Google search I did...

Fox News host says Trump "must realize he made a huge mistake" withdrawing troops from Syria

 

[BowlBrother85]

Rashida Tlaib blasted over claim that US supported Taliban before it existed

The United States did provide military support to the Taliban in the early 1980's when the CIA provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The United States also assisted the Taliban in their efforts to gather radicalized Muslims from around the world to join their fight against the Soviet Union. Osama bin Laden was one of the main players in organizing training camps for those volunteers. Back then, bin Laden was considered an ally and a hero by the CIA.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

CNN is hammering the Biden admin. You never saw this with Fox and Trump.

This is just one quick Google search I did...

Fox News host says Trump "must realize he made a huge mistake" withdrawing troops from Syria

 

[LAVol1]

If you believe that Trump wouldn't have done the same thing then you are:

(1) Ignorant of the peace deal that the Trump administration brokered with the Taliban in February of 2020.

(2) Ignorant of how the United States pulled out of northern Syria in October of 2019, abandoning Kurdish allies and leaving behind American bases to be taken over by Turkish forces.

(3) In denial of Trump's foreign policy agenda. "We are not a police force." - Donald Trump

We'll never know. But, Trump would have probably taken the advice of his military advisors and American intel instead of ignoring the people who are most familiar with the situation. I despise Trump, but he did take good advice regarding foreign policy. Syria was much different than abandoning THOUSANDS of Americans in Kabul. "We prepared for every contingency." -- Joe Biden REALLY?! LIAR! Total execution failure.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Afghan Air Force Flees en masse: Uzbekistan SHOOTS DOWN one fighter plane and forces another FORTY SIX helicopters and planes to land carrying 600 Afghan soldiers

Uzbekistan said it shot down an Afghan fighter plane and forced the landing of 22 military planes and 24 military helicopters carrying nearly 600 Afghan troops that 'illegally' crossed its border at the weekend when the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.

The 46 Afghan aircrafts carrying 585 troops were 'forcibly landed' at Termez aiport in southern Uzbekistan on Saturday and Sunday after they had fled the Taliban, the country's state prosecutor said.

Uzbekistan SHOOTS DOWN one Afghan fighter plane and forces another 46 aircrafts to land | Daily Mail Online

Uzbekistan... at what point does this become a Russian problem?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

Helping people that didn't ask for it. Attacking a country that didn't attack us.

The Saudis rest peacefully...

 

[Mccage]

I completely agree ...

... but I'm still going to play a round of "what-about-ism" here, and point out that it is no different than how the Trump administration abandoned our Kurdish allies along the border of northern Syria in October of 2019, while ordering an abrupt withdrawal which gave aid to the Turkish aggressors, who were quick to commandeer the abandoned American bases.

I'm going to quote the Man in office now "The buck stops with me" even if he did steel it from Harry Truman. Make no mistake about it the weakness displayed by our Leaders just dealt China another ace. If you have family living in Taiwan I suggest strongly to urge them to be getting the hell out.

 

[Wireless1]

I do realize that, and you are correct. I'm just amused by Republicans who are pretending that Trump would have handled this any differently. It is a lot like the fall of Saigon which was a very embarrassing scene for the United States. It's hard to get those images of helicopters being pushed off an air craft carrier into the sea out of your mind... and 46 years later, we've done it again - just without the choppers.

Trump would never let this embarrassment be hung in him, might have nuked them, sent 100K troops, carpet bombed them, tons of other embarrassing to the US solutions, but not this

 

[Franklin Pierce]

'I have grave questions about his ability to lead our nation': Obama's Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker slams Biden and says his disastrous Afghanistan policy might prove he's Unfit to Be Commander In Chief

A veteran US diplomat who headed the Kabul embassy twice - including in 2002 soon after it reopened after five years of Taliban rule - said he has 'grave' concerns over President Joe Biden's ability to lead the United States after Afghanistan fell to the insurgent group once again on Sunday.

Former Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker on Monday called the Taliban's takeover a predictable 'self-inflicted wound' to US foreign policy.

'That's why this is all so sad,' Crocker said.

Crocker was appointed ambassador to Afghanistan by President Bush in 2002 and President Obama in 2011

Afghanistan ambassador under Obama says he has 'grave concerns' over Joe Biden's ability to lead US | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Feeling Jimmy Carter..

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Operation Eagle Claw? That ran across my mind earlier today, but I don't think it will be that bad for our military.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

1. Occupy the country and make it a full territory such as Puerto Rico and have them help pay costs
2. Force them to convert to Christianity
3. Kill all Al Qaeda leaders and make example of them by hanging them in streets (instead of imprisoning them in luxury prisons)
4. Destroy any village that aids Taliban
5. Fortify border with Pakistan and cut supplies. Demand Pakistan support war effort. If they don't help, Ally with India and promise India all of Pakistan. Seize nuclear weapons in Pakistan then allow Indian army to clean their clocks and take back a part of India stolen by Muslims

If none of this works, seek the full obliteration of the countries population (or at least any that do not side with you) to seek the total destruction of the Taliban and any future threat to USA.

Do to them what we did to the Native Americans.

You forgot the blue font. That indicates sarcasm. Else, people will think you are serious.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump would never let this embarrassment be hung in him, might have nuked them, sent 100K troops, carpet bombed them, tons of other embarrassing to the US solutions, but not this

BULL $HIT. You say that Trump "might have nuked them"? What was his response to Iran firing missiles at bases housing Americans in Iraq in January of 2020? Nothing. Trump always erred on the side of passivity.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

First, this was going to happen no matter what. Power vacuums are often filled by the most ruthless and best armed. The Taliban has entered the chat.

Second, save your crocodile tears for the Afghan civilians for someone who believes you really g.a.s. They had 20 years to prepare for this moment and relied on the U.S. Government and it's tax payers to keep them safe and protected. That they knew this time was imminent and then got surprised the day arrived would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

I guess personal responsibility is only something you look for when it's politically expediant.

You've got a point.

 

[AM64]

This concept is so hard for many to understand because we easily understand and believe in the concept of a nation-state. Most Afghans do not.

We say "come together and create an Afghan army" and their response is "what's an Afghan army?" And most of the ones that do understand the concept don't really believe in it. Their ranks were filled with ghost soldiers.

I've gotten the impression there are two major types of society (and probably a lot of sub variants). You have whatever we and most European nations are - nation builders with central or tiered governments, and tribal societies. Nation builders seem to be the successful first world countries, and the tribal countries bring up the third world. You work in coordinated fashion to build or you have competing interests that spend too much time fighting to create. Maybe it's too simplistic, but it explains the failure of many states to thrive better than believing that some races are superior to others. Afghanistan and most of the ME seems to be tribal or under the control of feuding factions/warlords - could be a national interest just isn't in their realm of thought.

 

[volfanhill]

Today Biden told us that he has more experience with Afghanistan than anyone via his time in the Senate and as VP. He told us of all his visits and meetings with leaders there.

Somehow he never saw this coming.

It's all laughable. Our IC never saw this coming? ********. We all knew the Taliban would take over. Just not this quick. We are pretty well screwed if I saw the Taliban taking back over before our IC experts. Hell 95% of this forum did.

 

[AM64]

We now have more troops in country than we did when we began the withdrawal.

Progressive progress.

 

[volfanhill]

BULL $HIT. You say that Trump "might have nuked them"? What was his response to Iran firing missiles at bases housing Americans in Iraq in January of 2020? Nothing. Trump always erred on the side of passivity.

You are wrong with this analogy. Iran's attack was in response to Trump assassinating their top General. That was aggression not pacification. And him not responding was the appropriate response. Iran's response was pretty weak by comparison. If they had assassinated Mattis what do you think our response would have been? A hell of metric shat ton more then theirs

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

One of the most telling things is the disappearance of not only congressional members of the democrat party, but the Obama's and the Clinton's. Lmao!

And Bush?

 

[allvol123]

BULL $HIT. You say that Trump "might have nuked them"? What was his response to Iran firing missiles at bases housing Americans in Iraq in January of 2020? Nothing. Trump always erred on the side of passivity.

Soleimani says "say what?".

 

[volinbham]

It's all laughable. Our IC never saw this coming? ********. We all knew the Taliban would take over. Just not this quick. We are pretty well screwed if I saw the Taliban taking back over before our IC experts. Hell 95% of this forum did.

the manner of the withdrawal and Biden's comments last month suggest they believed the Afghan govt/military would maintain control for some period of time (not sure they believed what they were saying)

it was either a terrible miscalculation and intelligence failure or it was a cynical bet to get the official end done for 9/11.

there are already indicators that this wasn't the surprise that is being claimed.

we certainly need to know why this happened so we can learn where our weaknesses are (intelligence failures or political failures)

my money is on politics overriding intelligence and it is backfiring with terrible results

 

[red butler]

Operation Eagle Claw? That ran across my mind earlier today, but I don't think it will be that bad for our military.

I’m not so sure about that. The Army will probably be able to get everyone else out, but those last flights are going to be tricky. Who’s going to provide security when the last soldiers get on the plane? Even if the taliban give them a pass, the civilians are going to be all over that plane. I don’t think helicopters are an option either due to distance.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[clarksvol00]

And Bush?

Biden f'ed up the withdrawal, but its amazing that everybody thought it was a bad idea to go in with no exit strategy or definition of victory 20 years ago and forgot to mention it at the time.