Where I believe this is all heading.

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b_gann said:
Unless they just go cutthroat and say team x, team y add no value to our bottom line and best of luck, I agree 20 teams in four conferences will be the final resting spot. It makes basketball, etc. easier to maintain as well. If I'm a Kansas St, Texas Tech, TCU, etc. I'm pretty nervous right now. They'll be in the convo of being left in the dark if it's only 16 teams per. Here is where I see it heading 5-7 years from now.

PAC 12
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Fresno St.

Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
San Diego St.

Utah
BYU
Colorado
Boise St
UNLV

Arizona
Arizona St
TX Tech
Baylor
TCU

Big 10
Kansas
Kansas St
Nebraska
Iowa
Iowa St

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois
Buffalo

ND (I know they'll probably be ACC bound, but it makes 0 sense)
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan St

Penn St
Ohio St
Cinci
Rutgers
Maryland

ACC
Boston College
UCONN
PITT
Syracuse
WV

UNC
Duke
Wake
NC ST
ECU

App St
Virginia
VTECH
Charlotte
Clemson

Louisville
FL ST
Miami
Tulane
Georgia Tech

SEC
Ok St
OKLA
Texas
Mizzou
ARK

LSU
Houston
Memphis
Ole Miss
MS ST

Georgia
SCAR
Florida
UCF
USF

TENN
Alabama
Auburn
UK
Vandy
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Memphis?

Are we chosing up sides to start some gangs?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know how the schools can break off football and pay players. Title IX is still out there.
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Big time college football might end the charade of players being student-athletes. College football teams become separate formal entities from the schools and the schools license their names and rent out their facilities. Or the women’s sports just play nice and continue to live off of their financial gravy train provided by football.

College football will have to have their marketing people working overtime to prevent the appearance of officially being the minor league for the NFL. Without players being S-As, does the 4-5 year eligibility tradition end? The good ones already exit early. Will those on the bubble get to stay for 6, 7, or more years.

Bottom line is that he bottom lines have corrupted what was once a magical fall and winter form of entertainment. It will never go back to what it once was.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Big time college football might end the charade of players being student-athletes. College football teams become separate formal entities from the schools and the schools license their names and rent out their facilities. Or the women’s sports just play nice and continue to live off of their financial gravy train provided by football.

College football will have to have their marketing people working overtime to prevent the appearance of officially being the minor league for the NFL. Without players being S-As, does the 4-5 year eligibility tradition end? The good ones already exit early. Will those on the bubble get to stay for 6, 7, or more years.

Bottom line is that he bottom lines have corrupted what was once a magical fall and winter form of entertainment. It will never go back to what it once was.
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I am very curious about Title 9 and lower level football. Those questions really haven't been addressed much.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Big time college football might end the charade of players being student-athletes. College football teams become separate formal entities from the schools and the schools license their names and rent out their facilities. Or the women’s sports just play nice and continue to live off of their financial gravy train provided by football.

College football will have to have their marketing people working overtime to prevent the appearance of officially being the minor league for the NFL. Without players being S-As, does the 4-5 year eligibility tradition end? The good ones already exit early. Will those on the bubble get to stay for 6, 7, or more years.

Bottom line is that he bottom lines have corrupted what was once a magical fall and winter form of entertainment. It will never go back to what it once was.
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Yep...will see college stars making more than coordinators and HC’s in the future.
 
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b_gann said:
I am very curious about Title 9 and lower level football. Those questions really haven't been addressed much.
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Lower level college football could actually benefit if big chunks of major conference fans don’t accept the evolution of the game and move to something that more closely resembles the pre-1990s version. I’ve entertained the idea of crossing the mountain to witness an Appy State home game when TN has had open dates. I might even have taking in an Ivy League game on the bucket list.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know how the schools can break off football and pay players. Title IX is still out there.
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They can’t. They don’t have to with NIL.

The question of whether boosters can pay players for endorsement deals at all - whether they match the market or not - is also open.

My suspicions are that Pilot could not give Harrison Bailey $1,000,000 to appear on their print ads - but one wonders how any rules at all will be enforced if the NCAA Sheriff is on permanent vacation. Perhaps the Conferences would enforce rules with substantial economic fines to players and/or programs?
 
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kcvols1 said:
I suspect that since the dawn of the 20th century, if not at inception, it’s been about the money.
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No, people only started caring about money in 2013.

It's always been about the money...that's why the NCAA has been resistant for athletes to be paid for so long. Rules against players not being able to sell their NIL quit making sense in about 1980.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It’s kind of comical that less than 3 decades ago Johnny Majors was let go partly because he was pushing for something like an additional $100k.
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$100k was a lot in those days. It was 30 years ago, plus there was nowhere near as much money floating around the sport 30 years ago. Johnny also wasn't good enough of a coach to overcome the baggage he brought to the table. If he was Nick Saban good, Tennessee would have ponied up the money he wanted.
 
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05_never_again said:
$100k was a lot in those days. It was 30 years ago, plus there was nowhere near as much money floating around the sport 30 years ago. Johnny also wasn't good enough of a coach to overcome the baggage he brought to the table. If he was Nick Saban good, Tennessee would have ponied up the money he wanted.
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Johnny had TN football in the mix and was highly competitive with any other team in the country.

Gym teachers are now earning $3 million plus. Coordinators are being compensated multi-millions.

$100,000 in 1991 is about $200,000 in 2021 dollars.
 
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Johnny was also a name recognized by anybody in the country following football. I have a hard time remembering the name of the last couple of TN coaches.

TN wouldn’t get serious consideration from a coach with a natty even with a $10 million offer on the table.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Johnny had TN football in the mix and was highly competitive with any other team in the country.

Gym teachers are now earning $3 million plus. Coordinators are being compensated multi-millions.

$100,000 in 1991 is about $200,000 in 2021 dollars.
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That's a little revisionist history about Johnny. He had a very up and down tenure here, although it had been more up than down at the time he was fired. He was not good enough to overcome his baggage. Good but not great, he had created some issues for himself over the years, the team seemed to respond poorly to him returning from heart surgery, and they had a young hot shot assistant (Fulmer) waiting in the wings who coached the team to multiple upset victories in Johnny's absence. If any one of those things had not been the case, Johnny probably keeps coaching. He was as recognizable of a name as he was from his playing career at Tennessee and his title-winning season at Pitt. His Tennessee coaching tenure was like the 3rd most notable thing he did during his playing/coaching career.

$200k in inflation-adjusted dollars was a lot of money in 1992 when you consider that the sport brought in a fraction of the money that it does today. There were still 3-4 games a year not on TV (or on PPV) in those days.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I see it eventually going even further.

The Big10 and The Pac12 have long had a tight relationship and the SEC and ACC too. You have many in-state "rivalries" between the ACC and SEC.

I see eventually there being two 32 team leagues. The Big10/Pac12 melding into one and the SEC/ACC melding into the other.

Your "playoffs" will become much like pro sports where one league has a six team post season and the other league does the same, eventually leading to an "us vs them" championship, just like the four main pro sports do.
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Apparently Jay Bilas agrees with my thought as well.

 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know how the schools can break off football and pay players. Title IX is still out there.
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I can't imagine it's feasible. It would basically have to split off as a private organization which then pays the university for use of facilities and licensing. Which might negate the financial benefits of avoiding Title IX. Not to mention the university relinquishing control among other issues. Can't imagine that would ever happen
 
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Just for fun, I was dinking around with it if it were 4 super conferences of 20. It starts getting sketchy when you're trying to fill out teams 17-20.

I wonder how this is going to affect college basketball since there are great basketball schools that will not be included.

 
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05_never_again said:
That's a little revisionist history about Johnny. He had a very up and down tenure here, although it had been more up than down at the time he was fired. He was not good enough to overcome his baggage. Good but not great, he had created some issues for himself over the years, the team seemed to respond poorly to him returning from heart surgery, and they had a young hot shot assistant (Fulmer) waiting in the wings who coached the team to multiple upset victories in Johnny's absence. If any one of those things had not been the case, Johnny probably keeps coaching. He was as recognizable of a name as he was from his playing career at Tennessee and his title-winning season at Pitt. His Tennessee coaching tenure was like the 3rd most notable thing he did during his playing/coaching career.

$200k in inflation-adjusted dollars was a lot of money in 1992 when you consider that the sport brought in a fraction of the money that it does today. There were still 3-4 games a year not on TV (or on PPV) in those days.
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There is nothing “revisionist history” about what I posted. Majors had built TN into a top level team when Fulmer stole the program. Majors was a well known name. The fact that he was first known as a Heisman runner up doesn’t mean that he was less of a public figure a couple decades later when he added a national championship as a coach. He was famous. Period. He also had no problem bringing in high quality coaches to fill his open spots. His coaching tree was a California redwood compared to Fulmer’s sapling.

Based on your reply, I don’t think that you understand my comment that $100,000 in 1991 equates to $200,000 in 2021 dollars.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
There is nothing “revisionist history” about what I posted. Majors had built TN into a top level team when Fulmer stole the program. Majors was a well known name. The fact that he was first known as a Heisman runner up doesn’t mean that he was less of a public figure a couple decades later when he added a national championship as a coach. He was famous. Period. He also had no problem bringing in high quality coaches to fill his open spots. His coaching tree was a California redwood compared to Fulmer’s sapling.

Based on your reply, I don’t think that you understand my comment that $100,000 in 1991 equates to $200,000 in 2021 dollars.
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$100,000 in 1991 → 2021 | Inflation Calculator.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
There is nothing “revisionist history” about what I posted. Majors had built TN into a top level team when Fulmer stole the program. Majors was a well known name. The fact that he was first known as a Heisman runner up doesn’t mean that he was less of a public figure a couple decades later when he added a national championship as a coach. He was famous. Period. He also had no problem bringing in high quality coaches to fill his open spots. His coaching tree was a California redwood compared to Fulmer’s sapling.

Based on your reply, I don’t think that you understand my comment that $100,000 in 1991 equates to $200,000 in 2021 dollars.
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I understand it perfectly. $100k in 1992 ($200k today), when you're talking the size of the industry of college football at the time, was not peanuts. You are correct that it would be peanuts today given that some coaches who would otherwise be gym teachers make $2m. It's a much lucrative, larger sport than 30 years ago. A head coach wanting a $100k raise in 1992 was pretty eyebrow-raising. It would be like a coach publicly demanding millions more per year today.

Johnny was nowhere near as good of a coach here as you are describing him. I get you probably have nostalgia for him and those days, but look at his records. He didn't even put together a good season until 1985 and he teams finished in the top 25 only 6 times in 16 years. He put himself in a situation where he made his job security shaky, and a Machiavellian guy like Fulmer pounced.
 
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05_never_again said:
I understand it perfectly. $100k in 1992 ($200k today), when you're talking the size of the industry of college football at the time, was not peanuts. You are correct that it would be peanuts today given that some coaches who would otherwise be gym teachers make $2m. It's a much lucrative, larger sport than 30 years ago. A head coach wanting a $100k raise in 1992 was pretty eyebrow-raising. It would be like a coach publicly demanding millions more per year today.

Johnny was nowhere near as good of a coach here as you are describing him. I get you probably have nostalgia for him and those days, but look at his records. He didn't even put together a good season until 1985 and he teams finished in the top 25 only 6 times in 16 years. He put himself in a situation where he made his job security shaky, and a Machiavellian guy like Fulmer pounced.
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This is my original comment that you are taking so much offense to. Read it again. Slowly.

“ It’s kind of comical that less than 3 decades ago Johnny Majors was let go partly because he was pushing for something like an additional $100k.”
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
This is my original comment that you are taking so much offense to. Read it again. Slowly.

“ It’s kind of comical that less than 3 decades ago Johnny Majors was let go partly because he was pushing for something like an additional $100k.”
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Dude, I know exactly what the comment was and what it means. $100k, in the context of the salary for a CFB coach, was not peanuts back then. I understand that amount is $200k today, and $200k in college football today is nothing. But the economic size of the sport today is many times what it was then.
 
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05_never_again said:
Dude, I know exactly what the comment was and what it means. $100k, in the context of the salary for a CFB coach, was not peanuts back then. I understand that amount is $200k today, and $200k in college football today is nothing. But the economic size of the sport today is many times what it was then.
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Thanks, but I understand finance and don’t need your lesson.

Majors’ salary was a few hundred grand. Now TN can’t lure good, non-championship coaches with nearly $10 million offers. It’s kind of comical that less than 3 decades ago Johnny Majors was let go partly because he was pushing for something like an additional $100k.
 
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