Coronavirus (No politics)

[walkenvol]

A co-worker's mother-in-law has been in the hospital for 8 days fighting covid. As soon as they take her off bipap (has been at 100% the last 3 days) her oxygen drops. They put in a picc line yesterday because they couldn't take her off bipap long enough to put a feeding tube in. She and her daughters (one of which is co-worker's wife) were adamant they would not get the vaccine.

They did insist their dad get vaccinated, he had triple by-pass in March. They felt his health put him at too big of a risk. He got covid the same time his wife did (from their grand kids who brought it back from camp). He had cold symptoms and ran a low grade fever for one day.

Co-worker's wife got her vaccine Saturday, and is now urging others to get theirs.

Amazing how ones perception changes when it hits close to home.

 

[whodeycin85]

So you're saying that the hospital counted a Covid death without a postive Covid test? That is fraud, and not only should anyone who participated or knew about it lose their license to practice, they should go to prison.

In Illinois thier head of health department came out last April..literally said if your on hospice, die in a car crash and test positive, it is marked as a Covid death...i can share the link if you like
.ahe also stated that as little a 6% or less stated death are actually from covid directly...i have that as well...so why should a person with terminal lung cancer be counted as a covid death...and we are not even talking about how the CDC stopped requiring test cycles for the covid test meaning they could cycle up till a postive test was found..have that as well....if you need it

 

[Lurker]

To get natural immunity you have to catch it. And maybe get sick as a dog and end up in the hospital. I agree that it’s the most effective.

I swore I wasn't going to join this thread but, add to the quote "or die." But what the hell. If you catch it and don't die, you probably won't ever catch it again. I agree, unless, of course, you do catch it again, as one of my (very young) partners did. Nevertheless, some folks prefer Russian roulette over medicine and who am I to tell them what to do.

If this spread keeps up, there will be a lot less vaccine denying folks around in the relatively near future. Unfortunately, the denying folks will perpetuate the spread to older, less protected, but vaccinated people and to people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons - all of which would directly benefit from more of the population being vaccinated.

And, by the way, Volinvore is spot on regarding Anthony Fauci: "Dr. Fauci is forbidden from investing in companies with who have a working relationship the NIH. It is a matter of ethics something of which Dr. Fauci has an abundance." I, too, have known folks with long time working relationships with Dr. Fauci. He is incredibly intelligent, dedicated, ethical, and truthful to a fault. Working with our former president had to have driven him batty as "the boss" had none of those attributes.

I am sorry and not sorry for this post. No more politics in this forum would be my sincere wish. Where are the moderators?

 

[bamawriter]

In Illinois thier head of health department came out last April..literally said if your on hospice, die in a car crash and test positive, it is marked as a Covid death...i can share the link if you like
.ahe also stated that as little a 6% or less stated death are actually from covid directly...i have that as well...so why should a person with terminal lung cancer be counted as a covid death...and we are not even talking about how the CDC stopped requiring test cycles for the covid test meaning they could cycle up till a postive test was found..have that as well....if you need it

While there are all kinds of ethical issues with counting every death where the deceased was Covid positive as a "covid death," that's not what was being implied in the post to which I was responding. The implication was that there are situations in which a passing was marked at a Covid death despite the fact that the deceased never tested positive for Covid. That goes from unethical to completely fraudulent. That's a felony, and the assertion was that it's happening a lot.

 

[whodeycin85]

While there are all kinds of ethical issues with counting every death where the deceased was Covid positive as a "covid death," that's not what was being implied in the post to which I was responding. The implication was that there are situations in which a passing was marked at a Covid death despite the fact that the deceased never tested positive for Covid. That goes from unethical to completely fraudulent. That's a felony, and the assertion was that it's happening a lot.

They were being tested after death...thats where the fraud comes in...not mention for a CDC to allow a positive test the cycle limits were in the 30s....for Covid rhe CDC didn't put limits on the cycles. Meaning a test could be cycled as much as needed for a positive test...so what would be a negative by industry standards is now a positive for political reasons....so while you seem ok with unethical practices but not fraudulent....it's thin line... for an antodotal story my grandmother passed in october...my aunt wisely had a covid test performed once a.month given the issues with nursing homes...she never 1x tested positive but on her death certificate it was listed....unethical or fraudulent however you wanna mince words...point is if the virus was so deadly...then the numbers would speak for themselves and not have to me manipulated....industry standards wouldn't change for positive and negative tests...

 

[bamawriter]

They were being tested after death...thats where the fraud comes in...not mention for a CDC to allow a positive test the cycle limits were in the 30s....for Covid rhe CDC didn't put limits on the cycles. Meaning a test could be cycled as much as needed for a positive test...so what would be a negative by industry standards is now a positive for political reasons....so while you seem ok with unethical practices but not fraudulent....it's thin line... for an antodotal story my grandmother passed in october...my aunt wisely had a covid test performed once a.month given the issues with nursing homes...she never 1x tested positive but on her death certificate it was listed....unethical or fraudulent however you wanna mince words...point is if the virus was so deadly...then the numbers would speak for themselves and not have to me manipulated....industry standards wouldn't change for positive and negative tests...

I want to make it clear that I'm not okay with unethical practices. I'm just gobsmacked by the assertions of criminal behavior from our medical community.

And I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. If you don't mind me asking, what did she die of? Instead of Covid, obviously. We're a few days from the one year anniversary of my grandfather's death, but he definitely had Covid. He tested positive and declined very quickly. He was one of eleven that died in his nursing facility.

 

[utchs81]

I want to make it clear that I'm not okay with unethical practices. I'm just gobsmacked by the assertions of criminal behavior from our medical community.

And I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. If you don't mind me asking, what did she die of? Instead of Covid, obviously. We're a few days from the one year anniversary of my grandfather's death, but he definitely had Covid. He tested positive and declined very quickly. He was one of eleven that died in his nursing facility.

There is absolutely no trust for any segment of our country anymore. Media can't be trusted, our chosen leaders can't be trusted and now the Medical community can no longer be trusted. Where will it end, likely only with the second coming.

 

[a vol n tears]

Dr. Fauci is forbidden from investing in companies with who have a working relationship the NIH. It is a matter of ethics something of which Dr. Fauci has an abundance. I had a working relationship with Dr. Fauci fro almost 30 years and your attack on him is baseless and untrue.

Sorry, but cannot trust a person who says one thing and then his emails (from FOIA) contradicts his public comments. He is a proven liar.
His, made public emails are the reason he and the media began agreeing with the Wuhan Lab theory. Look for yourself.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/14/dr-faucis-emails-tell-the-story-of-panic-lies-and-a-possible-cover-up/

 

[VolGee4]

Since experimental, emergency approved COVID vaxes have solved all the concerns per folks on here, we are free to play football in packed houses this fall. Amirite? Well, at least until the next "pandemic" arrives.

Since today is COVID discussion day in here - I have one for the resident experts on VN. Recently had my blood tested for COVID antibodies. Positive. Had COVID like symptoms in Feb/March of 2020 that knocked me back a little, but still functioning. Got treated with prednisone for "allergy ear" symptoms. Still have the allergy ear come and go for a day or two nearly 1.5 years later. No vax. Around many people who contracted COVID - family, friends as well as whoever else had it in stores, restaurants, etc. since that time. Would quarantine when I knew about it. Have had no issues at all medically since that point other than the allergy ear. I use the natural immunology approach with proper diet, sunshine and supplements.

Am I a walking time bomb that will expose the world to COVID and deserving of being refused the opportunity to live my best life because I am not vaxed even after knowing I have antibodies in my system? If I was a football player, why should I take an experimental, emergency use only approved vax when I have the antibodies in my system?

Go.

This is easy. Each person has the freedom of choice. But institutions also have the freedom to make certain policies, so you just live with what those policies are. Pretty straight forward.

 

[whodeycin85]

I want to make it clear that I'm not okay with unethical practices. I'm just gobsmacked by the assertions of criminal behavior from our medical community.

And I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. If you don't mind me asking, what did she die of? Instead of Covid, obviously. We're a few days from the one year anniversary of my grandfather's death, but he definitely had Covid. He tested positive and declined very quickly. He was one of eleven that died in his nursing facility.

Congenital heart failure

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

I want to make it clear that I'm not okay with unethical practices. I'm just gobsmacked by the assertions of criminal behavior from our medical community.

And I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother. If you don't mind me asking, what did she die of? Instead of Covid, obviously. We're a few days from the one year anniversary of my grandfather's death, but he definitely had Covid. He tested positive and declined very quickly. He was one of eleven that died in his nursing facility.

Hate to hear that about your grandfather. Our grandparents certainly don't deserve to leave earth that way. My grandmother is on Hospice care right now and probably has less than 2-3 months at best. I personally will blame COVID for her death despite her having it late in 2020. She's in her late 80s and an incredibly healthy heart for her age is probably the major factor in her not dying in a hospital. She almost got to the point of needing to be ventilated twice, both times the doctor made clear that elderly people do not tend to survive being ventilated. She made it through, but it significantly shortened her life and she's a different person. She hasn't been able to walk since getting COVID and she has a lot more mental lapses. It physically destroyed her. I would argue that there are cases where people have died due to the physical effects of COVID after they have "recovered" and it likely was never recorded as a COVID death. Thankfully the oldest among us are the most vaccinated now.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

A small fraction end up in the hospital. Many don't get very sick or for very long. According to a British study from earlier in the year, about 80% of those who get Covid are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. You would anticipate most of those people having immunity as well.

Maybe one of the most important things being neglected is widespread availability of anti-body tests. People with healthy anti-bodies should not be pushed to get a vaccination.

I had Covid in January. I had a severe back ache, some fatigue, and partial loss of smell. It lasted about 5 days.... and then I got the Covid pneumonia. That was truly awful.

I just had an employee who is "never sick" get it and struggle for a week before finally giving up and going to the doctor for meds. Experiences are all over the place.

I know quite a few anti-vax people. I'm not. However I want to have an anti-body test before taking the vaccine. A friend at the Health Dept is trying to find how I can get one.

All vaccines have some inherent dangers. Some are extremely low risk. The mRNA vaccines appear to be moderate or maybe on the high end for risks. If I do not have antibodies then I will most likely wait for the non-genetic vaccine to become available.

My daughter (36) had it last November and didn’t get too sick. My youngest son (33) had it before Christmas and was sick as a dog. Missed 3 weeks of work.
Both of them are very healthy otherwise.

 

[sjt18]

My daughter (36) had it last November and didn’t get too sick. My youngest son (33) had it before Christmas and was sick as a dog. Missed 3 weeks of work.
Both of them are very healthy otherwise.

Yeah. It is just weird. I know elderly people who have breezed right through it. My youngest son had it worse than any of us. Very health Air Guardsman. He ran a 104 temperature for 3 or 4 days with severe flu like symptoms. My daughter had a little fatigue... until she also got pneumonia. My wife only had the back ache and loss of smell. Never even ran a temperature.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

Yeah. It is just weird. I know elderly people who have breezed right through it. My youngest son had it worse than any of us. Very health Air Guardsman. He ran a 104 temperature for 3 or 4 days with severe flu like symptoms. My daughter had a little fatigue... until she also got pneumonia. My wife only had the back ache and loss of smell. Never even ran a temperature.

My daughter thinks her two kids had it before her. They were 6 and 3 at the time and were tired and lethargic for a couple of days (did not get tested). But her husband never got it in a house where the other 3 had it. It is weird.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Sure she did. She's better protected if we're both vaccinated.

She is even more protected if she:

Never rides in a car
Eats a perfectly healthy diet
Never leaves her house
Never allows others into her house.
Hires a full-time body guard

You making sure memaw is covered on those bases also?

 

[bamawriter]

She is even more protected if she:

Never rides in a car
Eats a perfectly healthy diet
Never leaves her house
Never allows others into her house.
Hires a full-time body guard

You making sure memaw is covered on those bases also?

She goes very few places as she has Parkinson's and can't drive. She lives with my aunt, who is vaxxed. She pretty much only sees family and her doctor.

So, I could follow your suggestion and tell the poor woman to become a shut-in. Or I could act like I love her, want to see her, and want her to live as well as her age and condition will allow.

 

[secking]

And a healthy young persons odds of dying from COVID are equally minuscule. Just don’t think it’s right the way it’s being pushed on young people

No disagreement from me. I don’t believe it should be available under 18 until long term side effects are known.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

LOL...more like having an entire fishing rod shoved up your nose.

I’ve only had two tests like that and they were in Abu Dhabi and Guatemala by their health officials.

My company uses the Cephid Test which is just 10 secs in each nostril it isn’t the one that is jammed into your brain.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

She goes very few places as she has Parkinson's and can't drive. She lives with my aunt, who is vaxxed. She prettt much only seea family and her doctor.

So, I could follow your suggestion and tell the poor woman to become a shut-in. Or I could act like I love her, want to see her, and want her to live as well as her age and condition will allow.

You getting the vaccine because you believe it will help protect your vaccinsted loved ones is perfectly logical.

You telling me to get vaccinated because you believe it will help.protect your vaccinated loved ones is unethical and illogical.

 

[bamawriter]

You getting the vaccine because you believe it will help protect your vaccinsted loved ones is perfectly logical.

You telling me to get vaccinated because you believe it will help.protect your vaccinated loved ones is unethical and illogical.

I didn't tell you to do anything and would just as soon you stay away from my loved ones regardless of Covid.

Your level of concern for your vulnerable loved ones is your own business.

 

[TC 83]

My daughter thinks her two kids had it before her. They were 6 and 3 at the time and were tired and lethargic for a couple of days (did not get tested). But her husband never got it in a house where the other 3 had it. It is weird.

I had it in November and none of my family got it. We just decided that we were probably doomed and I didn’t separate from them. Put the kids to bed, slept in our bed, ate together. All were negative through two tests over 10 days. Mind boggling to say the least. My symptoms weren’t bad (just achy, low fever, lost taste/smell). After full taste/smell recovery after 3 weeks I thought it was over. Then Easter weekend the taste/smell Parosmia started. Still dealing with that now.

 

[bamawriter]

My daughter thinks her two kids had it before her. They were 6 and 3 at the time and were tired and lethargic for a couple of days (did not get tested). But her husband never got it in a house where the other 3 had it. It is weird.

My wife had really crazy symptoms in early March of last year. Had a deep chest cough and an unending headache for 10 straight days. The day she got tested for the flu (negative) was the day the first case appeared in TN (right up the road from us and the neighbor of my wife's boss). It was really hard to find a Covid test, so we couldn't confirm it. But we've pretty much assumed she had it. My kids and I stayed fine the whole time.

 

[bamawriter]

I had it in November and none of my family got it. We just decided that we were probably doomed and I didn’t separate from them. Put the kids to bed, slept in our bed, ate together. All were negative through two tests over 10 days. Mind boggling to say the least. My symptoms weren’t bad (just achy, low fever, lost taste/smell). After full taste/smell recovery after 3 weeks I thought it was over. Then Easter weekend the taste/smell Parosmia started. Still dealing with that now.

That sucks. The lingering neurological issues are scary to me. But I'm glad it wasn't any worse than it was and that your family stayed healthy.

 

[davethevol]

I had it in November and none of my family got it. We just decided that we were probably doomed and I didn’t separate from them. Put the kids to bed, slept in our bed, ate together. All were negative through two tests over 10 days. Mind boggling to say the least. My symptoms weren’t bad (just achy, low fever, lost taste/smell). After full taste/smell recovery after 3 weeks I thought it was over. Then Easter weekend the taste/smell Parosmia started. Still dealing with that now.

I still occasionally smell and taste things differently over 6 months after having the virus. It’s random and inconsistent like my brain is trying to reorient itself. I feel badly for anyone that has really suffered from this virus. I don’t think we should be shaming anyone for wearing a mask/not wearing one or their stances on the vaccine. We should all let each other live how we choose and deal with whatever the consequences are. I do think we should consider nuking China for this, as I do not think this was an accident.

 

[bamawriter]

I still occasionally smell and taste things differently over 6 months after having the virus. It’s random and inconsistent like my brain is trying to reorient itself. I feel badly for anyone that has really suffered from this virus. I don’t think we should be shaming anyone for wearing a mask/not wearing one or their stances on the vaccine. We should all let each other live how we choose and deal with whatever the consequences are. I do think we should consider nuking China for this, as I do not think this was an accident.

I wouldn't go nuking. But I think the US should add up all the trillions spent on the virus and tell the Chinese that we're unilaterally writing off that amount of our debt that they hold, plus a little extra for punitive damages.