Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[butchna]

Come teach three classes of 35+ kids, grade everything with meaningful feedback, and then have to do back flips through burning hoops to explain why each kid got a grade their parents didn’t want all while an administrator sides with the parent because they don’t want to make things harder on themselves.

Then hit reset in January and get a whole new set of students and parents.

It’s the market. If an outstanding teacher won’t take the offer…someone else will. A coach who can get players to buy in and win, consequently generating money? They command more. Teachers at the university level bank because that’s what colleges pay out for the better professors.

 

[Weezer]

Every last ounce of this is ********.

I’ve been teaching ten years now and still am up grading or lesson planning M-TH until midnight after my wife goes to bed. I coach two sports for less than $3000 combined. I go in at 630 and don’t leave until 630. My brother and two best friends work in banking and laugh at the amount of work I do and for how little I’m paid. On top of this, the make believe environment of “indoctrination” is making the work environment even more toxic.

Nothing is more insulting than parents and tax payers like you. Go sub, please. We need them.

Good teachers teach their students to think for themselves, but you do run across teachers that try to teach their students to think like them instead of for themselves. So while I wouldn't lump all teachers into the "indoctrination" debate, I would some. I had some great teachers as I grew up, but I also had some that did nothing to encourage free thought.

 

[Jackcrevol]

my kids schools have teachers aids that grade papers. also had many, many days their teacher didn’t even bother to sign on for class when they were on virtual.

I was a TA as a Graduate Student. I helped grade papers, lecture, do lesson plans. Made $6.75 per hour and got school partially paid for as part of it.

People in my Dept were on EBT & food stamps. But we chose to work in that arena, for the summers. I dont buy it.

This is a giant Zollicofer.

 

[PA Vol]

My favorite teacher ever was one of the football coaches. You didn’t goof off in his class but you learned and he was great.

My AP US teacher was our head football coach. You just don’t see that anymore. It’s a gym teacher or a “teacher” where everyone gets an A.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

My last comment on this. Wife taught Elementary kids with Special Needs (Autism, Downs, etc.) for 30 years. Wrecked her legs and back lifting big kids in and out of wheelchairs, did tube feeding, and other unpleasant tasks. Never thought she was paid enough. I'm done. Time to get back to trashing UGA and KY jelly and all the rest.

 

[PA Vol]

I have no idea how much teachers get paid in Tennessee, let alone in other states, but it can't be enough to handle someone else's kids all day.

North Carolina’s is really bad. Jockeys for dead last nationwide and the people and politicians here are damn proud of it. Hence my seemingly hate fueled retorts to some of these posts.

Most parents are good people. It’s who we vote for that ultimately makes the difference.

 

[volKano]

I mean, if you teach math or science, the education part is pretty straightforward. Math and science don't bend to opinion. But when you get into history or literature, where interpretation can come into play, I think a teacher should be open to opinions that don't match their own, but not every teacher agrees. I personally think that stifles free thought and creativity.

So does NO marijuana’s.

 

[Weezer]

My last comment on this. Wife taught Elementary kids with Special Needs (Autism, Downs, etc.) for 30 years. Wrecked her legs and back lifting big kids in and out of wheelchairs, did tube feeding, and other unpleasant tasks. Never thought she was paid enough. I'm done. Time to get back to trashing UGA and KY jelly and all the rest.

Very admirable.

You should be more like her.

 

[DarthVol1]

My last comment on this. Wife taught Elementary kids with Special Needs (Autism, Downs, etc.) for 30 years. Wrecked her legs and back lifting big kids in and out of wheelchairs, did tube feeding, and other unpleasant tasks. Never thought she was paid enough. I'm done. Time to get back to trashing UGA and KY jelly and all the rest.

My son graduated from ETSU this spring and has a job teaching Special Ed at the the high school he graduated from. He cant wait to start. Has to be a calling on your life to do what your wife did.

 

[Weezer]

When I used to teach middle school I had my kids write a letter to politicians. I can’t tell you how many I fundamentally disagreed with but that’s not my job.

Funny thing, too, is that a bunch of kids got replies. But not a single one in two years responded to a kid that didn’t think the way that politician thought; Democrat or Republican. Kind of pathetic.

I don't like politicians in general. Party affiliation does not matter.

 

[hooperj75]

[QUOTE="Jackcrevol, post: 19968663, member:

i would absolutely home school if possible.
[/QUOTE]
We’ve homeschooled our 3 children since they were pre-school (1 entering college in the fall and 2 in high school). It was the best decision we have ever made. It hurt to have just one income early in our marriage but was well worth it not dealing with some of the crap that happens in public schools these days (not an attack on teachers but just the overall environment administrators and parents have created).

 

[RikidyBones]

My last comment on this. Wife taught Elementary kids with Special Needs (Autism, Downs, etc.) for 30 years. Wrecked her legs and back lifting big kids in and out of wheelchairs, did tube feeding, and other unpleasant tasks. Never thought she was paid enough. I'm done. Time to get back to trashing UGA and KY jelly and all the rest.

Don't know what your wife was paid but I'm sure it wasn't enough. Thank her for Volnation. Sounds like a good kid.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Again, I’m not talking about all teachers. Their are some that are great and I wish they made what they are worth but I just don’t agree with a blanket pay raise…really for anybody.

Not sure selecting individual teachers for raises would work. While I agree the current system is flawed, singling people out shows favoritism and that doesn't exist in this world with HR a call away.

 

[Jackcrevol]

[QUOTE="Jackcrevol, post: 19968663, member:

i would absolutely home school if possible.

We’ve homeschooled our 3 children since they were pre-school (1 entering college in the fall and 2 in high school). It was the best decision we have ever made. It hurt to have just one income early in our marriage but was well worth it not dealing with some of the crap that happens in public schools these days (not an attack on teachers but just the overall environment administrators and parents have created).[/QUOTE]
its horse ****.

 

[ACvol3]

We’ve homeschooled our 3 children since they were pre-school (1 entering college in the fall and 2 in high school). It was the best decision we have ever made. It hurt to have just one income early in our marriage but was well worth it not dealing with some of the crap that happens in public schools these days (not an attack on teachers but just the overall environment administrators and parents have created).

I bet they’re weird.

Jk
kinda

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. I never implied all teachers are included in with this group but I would find it hard to believe that you are impressed with all the teachers in your school. People are people no matter where they work and a portion is just playing the game to collect a paycheck. I’m just saying I don’t have a reverence for someone because they teach and feel like they need more money because of it. I’ve heard that for years by teachers and politicians and don’t buy into it. People know what a teachers salary is before they start the job. It’s like people going on strike for $15.00 an hour at McDonalds. If a person isn’t satisfied, find a different line of work.

Most people on here know what I do for a living, I have a education. I could and have worked for what I went to college to do. I chose my profession, it didn’t choose me. Most teachers (not all), chose what they do also and I’m damn glad they did.

 

[Weezer]

Personally, I don't see a fix for the current state of our education system. And it's not the teachers' fault. Overcrowded classrooms and undisciplined children has made the situation untenable. Back in my day, teachers could spank a kid. Now parents complain if you even look at their kid funny. And the student to teacher ratio is insane. These are not problems teachers can fix.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Personally, I don't see a fix for the current state of our education system. And it's not the teachers' fault. Overcrowded classrooms and undisciplined children has made the situation untenable. Back in my day, teachers could spank a kid. Now parents complain if you even look at their kid funny. And the student to teacher ratio is insane. These are not problems teachers can fix.

I would allow our teacher that discretion.

Granted I feel strongly that positive reinforcement is always best option. Why is child acting out? If its just plain defiance...or disrespect. Hmm...

Respect.

 

[UTMVol76]

Personally, I don't see a fix for the current state of our education system. And it's not the teachers' fault. Overcrowded classrooms and undisciplined children has made the situation untenable. Back in my day, teachers could spank a kid. Now parents complain if you even look at their kid funny. And the student to teacher ratio is insane. These are not problems teachers can fix.

Nope, problem is much bigger, and at this point needs complete overhaul starting with elimination of Federal Department of Education and going back local with education. Local educators know what’s needed to deal with their troubles. However, that still won’t do anything until our other societal issues are dealt with simultaneously.

 

[Weezer]

My niece home schools her children. My only concern is the lack of socialization involved.

 

[InVOLuntary]

My niece home schools her children. My only concern is the lack of socialization involved.

As long she keeps them away from you they should turn out OK.

 

[engineerVOL]

We’ve homeschooled our 3 children since they were pre-school (1 entering college in the fall and 2 in high school). It was the best decision we have ever made. It hurt to have just one income early in our marriage but was well worth it not dealing with some of the crap that happens in public schools these days (not an attack on teachers but just the overall environment administrators and parents have created).

Second year of homeschooling for us. We’re introducing forest school stuff this fall semester. I know not everyone is in the position to stay home and educate but it is awesome. Very hard. But a great decision. I hope we can keep doing it.

 

[hooperj75]

My niece home schools her children. My only concern is the lack of socialization involved.

We were part of a homeschool network with several other children (went on field trips, etc). Also played a lot of sports and did other extracurricular activities. I think most people envision homeschooling like it was done 50 years. It’s very different now and there are a lot of opportunities out there.

 

[Weezer]

As long she keeps them away from you they should turn out OK.

Tell your nurse to stop thinking of comeback quips for you.

 

[UTMVol76]

My niece home schools her children. My only concern is the lack of socialization involved.

Which shouldn’t be a problem as it used to with the amount of networking groups out there today. I’m divorced and have little control on that right now and I’m concerned the opposite direction in the things they learn at school that I wouldn’t approve of.