President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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Grand Vol said:
Precisely what should he have done? Other than taking away the camera from Fauci?
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We've detailed this so many times. He provided no leadership or coherent plan. He had the stage and mic yet abdicated all responsibility to Fauci
 
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LouderVol said:
According to them sure. But then he went ahead and joined the dumb so what he did was considered wrong by a lot more than the left.

Just like this board doesnt want to admit that Trump had any wrong what so ever. It's the exact same argument, just made from the opposite view point.

I linked an article to Trump supporting the lock down of states and it cant even be acknowledged that Trump might have been in the wrong on the matter.
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Even after April he could have saved it. Could have said we initially overreacted based on lack of info but here is what we're going to do going forward. He could have made Pence the filter for Fauci but that would have removed the spotlight.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah they still would have freaked. But most Americans, even many Dems, wouldnt have cared. Fauci was part of Trumps administration, and came out as chief healthcare expert licensed by Trump to deliver whatever message. People can pretend that Fauci doesnt matter, but clearly to many he did.
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Bullsh!t. Fauci has been abusing his position for years. He's the only president to come out and publicly proclaim him as an idiot. He made the mistake of not firing him. Make no mistake Fauci has been f#cking up under numerous administrations, including this one.
 
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tnmarktx said:
No president in recent times would've handled it any different. Some would've been far worse. Obama, Bush, and Clinton would've been worse.
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Obama faced two global pandemics and never put Fauci out there, so you are wrong. At the time Swine Flu was the worst disease since Spanish Flu. Bush didnt let Fauci drive the SARS narrative. Not sure what if anything Clinton faced, I was too young.
 
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allvol123 said:
You act as if you have seen an event in your life comparable to covid, you havent.

Trump could have said nothing or went 100 in either direction and the results in terms of state reactions would have been the same.
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I very much doubt your second statement. Governors have obviously been willing to open up before the CDC gave the all clear. It's why Desantis is favored, and Abbott gets an attaboy.

But Kemp who opened months before anyone else gets ignored because he bailed Trump instead of Biden.
 
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LouderVol said:
I very much doubt your second statement. Governors have obviously been willing to open up before the CDC gave the all clear. It's why Desantis is favored, and Abbott gets an attaboy.

But Kemp who opened months before anyone else gets ignored because he bailed Trump instead of Biden.
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Modern day America is overpopulated with "cover my ass" leaders.
 
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utvolpj said:
No I used the correct word. In the biggest crisis if his presidency he handed the keys to someone else
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How much accurate information do you think he was getting? I get it, you hate Trump. You are placing way too much blame on his shoulders though. Why aren't you condemning the rest of the world leaders with the same fervor? Some of them ****ed it up exponentially worse.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How much accurate information do you think he was getting? I get it, you hate Trump. You are placing way too much blame on his shoulders though. Why aren't you condemning the rest of the world leaders with the same fervor? Some of them ****ed it up exponentially worse.
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Hate? I just think he was an incompetent boob. Covid just exposed that on a global scale. He is the POTUS so the responsibility does fall to him. That's the freaking job

I called out lots of other leaders but their response doesn't affect me. Why does that really matter to the discussion anyways?
 
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utvolpj said:
Hate? I just think he was an incompetent boob. Covid just exposed that on a global scale. He is the POTUS so the responsibility does fall to him. That's the freaking job

I called out lots of other leaders but their response doesn't affect me. Why does that really matter to the discussion anyways?
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Oh yes they do affect you. Global trade came to a halt because of idiotic fear and piss poor decisions.

And if Trump was incompetent, what adjective describes the current potus in your lexicon?
 
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utvolpj said:
Handing the response to Fauci couldn't have gone worse. Either word means the leader failed when the plan was terrible
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I don't disagree that fauci was a horrible decision. He should have fired him sooner. That in no way makes Trump a failure. Body of work was pretty good overall.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Oh yes they do affect you. Global trade came to a halt because of idiotic fear and piss poor decisions.

And if Trump was incompetent, what adjective describes the current potus in your lexicon?
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The current potus is not very different just different goals. Both are incompetent
 
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tnmarktx said:
Bullsh!t. Fauci has been abusing his position for years. He's the only president to come out and publicly proclaim him as an idiot. He made the mistake of not firing him. Make no mistake Fauci has been f#cking up under numerous administrations, including this one.
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and yet it was the genius of Trump that gave him a platform to eff up the entire nation. All the other presidents were smart enough to keep Fauci out of public eye.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't disagree that fauci was a horrible decision. He should have fired him sooner. That in no way makes Trump a failure. Body of work was pretty good overall.
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If you give total responsibility to another and they fail miserably then it's absolutely the leaders fault. That's the same across every organization. Overall he was a failure
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah Trump is still culpable even if he delegated. He doesnt get a pass because his administration said it instead of him.
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I didn't say he does get a pass. Trump did two things wrong imho. He should have stayed off of twatter, and he should have Fired the munchkin much sooner.
 
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