President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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BowlBrother85 said:
That is the date it was released, not the day they received it. You are dead wrong.
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not accurate. We have been over that before. They DID NOT receive the money in that fiscal year.
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Thanks for contradicting yourself in back to back posts rube.

Funds allocated = funds delivered in this business.

I know you’re used to Obama pallets of cash but that is the exception not the rule 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Thanks for contradicting yourself in back to back posts rube.

Funds allocated = funds delivered in this business.

I know you’re used to Obama pallets of cash but that is the exception not the rule 🤡
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That is not how it works

Because of Trump's freeze, the Ukraine received the funds well after the September 30th deadline... and thus, not within the fiscal year in which it had been pledged. You don't know what you are talking about.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because of Trump's delay, the Ukraine received the funds well after the September 30th deadline... and not within the fiscal year in which it had been pledged. You don't know what you are talking about.
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I know exactly what I’m talking about and you are either a liar or ignorant you can tell us which. The DEADLINE was the damn fiscal calendar year. There can’t be a deadline for the current fiscal year beyond Sept 30 or they would have received the funds in the NEXT fiscal year then which they could not for these funds. They received the funds therefore they were delivered in the fiscal calendar year. Your stupid ass “but the bank posted the check two weeks later to make sure it cleared” is freaking stupid and absolutely meaningless. Thanks for playing you responded exactly like I knew you would 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I know exactly what I’m talking about and you are either a liar or ignorant you can tell us which. The DEADLINE was the damn fiscal calendar year. There can’t be a deadline for the current fiscal year beyond Sept 30 or they could have received the funds in the next fiscal year then which they could not for these funds. They received the funds therefore they were delivered in the fiscal calendar year. Your stupid ass “but the bank posted the check two weeks later to make sure it cleared” is freaking stupid and absolutely meaningless. Thanks for playing you responded exactly like I knew you would 🤡
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Once again, you are dead wrong... you are confused, which I imagine is a state in which you frequently reside. Due to Trump's freeze, the September 30th deadline wasn't met.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I know exactly what I’m talking about and you are either a liar or ignorant you can tell us which. The DEADLINE was the damn fiscal calendar year. There can’t be a deadline for the current fiscal year beyond Sept 30 or they would have received the funds in the NEXT fiscal year then which they could not for these funds. They received the funds therefore they were delivered in the fiscal calendar year. Your stupid ass “but the bank posted the check two weeks later to make sure it cleared” is freaking stupid and absolutely meaningless. Thanks for playing you responded exactly like I knew you would 🤡
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It's better to go ahead & bring out your crayons & the coloring book when dealing with a noob.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
He still wouldn’t acknowledge he is wrong.
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Not even on his death bed ..... true blue Democrat lover until death.
Notice they never tell you what's so great about the lying idiot who's in the WH now.
They rather talk about Trump than tell us how great their elected POS is & how they're destroying the country..
 
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@BowlBrother85 since you chose to prostrate yourself on this hill as usual we never actually got to one common point that BOTH Trump and Biden were/are wrong on if Biden did hold up these funds (as you’ve stupidly claimed it was right to do).

Only Congress can spend money by setting up the buckets and filling them with cash. The WH can and has controlled release dates (they all have over time) tied to various conditions or events but they CANNOT just not allocate the money beyond the fiscal calendar year or long term delaying allocation without notifying and involving Congress. That is the key. And that is why the Biden WH is vehemently denying they did this.

Had Trump not allocated the money he would have broken the law. Just as Biden would be doing here if he fails to allocate this money. No charge was leveled against Trump for not allocating the money in the calendar year ergo the money was provided. The money is “delivered” when it is allocated. However the goods and services procured with that money drag out over time. We are today delivering product in our factory procured with funds from FY2018 or earlier. That is common. And there is in fact a FY2020 legislative vehicle in place where the DoD “spent” the FY2019 “allocated” Ukraine funds. There has to be it order for the DoD to issue contracts.

However the funds were “delivered” on time or Trump would have broken the law and validity provided a measure for writing an article of impeachment. No such article was ever written pertaining to the misallocation of these funds thus they were delivered as required by law.

The more you know.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s EXACTLY how it works Nostradumbass
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We have been through this before...

Per FactCheck.org :

False Claim Ukraine Got Aid 'Before Schedule'

By D'Angelo Gore

Posted on January 24, 2020

President Donald Trump, who last year froze hundreds of millions of dollars in security aid for Ukraine, claimed "they got all of it long before schedule." That's false.

For fiscal year 2019, Congress authorized $391 million in security assistance, including training, equipment, and other support, for Ukraine. Of that amount, $250 million was appropriated to the Defense Department for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, and $141.5 million was allocated to the State Department for the Foreign Military Financing program. The funds were meant to be spent by those departments by September 30, 2019.

In June, the Defense Department announced its plan to provide the $250 million in security assistance to the Ukraine. However, in July, Trump directed the White House Office of Management to put the aid on hold. He also had OMB block the assistance from the State Department.

It wasn't until about two months later, on Sept. 11, when the White House - under pressure from members of Congress and administration officials - released the money.

But because the Defense Department was required to wait another 15 days before it could begin obligating the funds, it wasn't able to spend all of the money before the end of September, when the fiscal year ends.

Congress had to add a provision to a continuing appropriations bill - which Trump signed into law on September 27 - allowing the unspent funds to be used in fiscal year 2020.

Mark Sandy, the deputy associate director for national security at OMB, testified at his November 16 deposition that approximately $35 million had been left unobligated by the Defense Department. Those funds, he said, "would have expired" if not for Congress stepping in.

Then, three days later, the Los Angeles Times reported that those funds still had not been spent, according to Pentagon documents the newspaper reviewed. And the following month, on December 12, the Times reported that about $20 million in aid "still hasn't reached Ukraine."

That demonstrates all funds did not go out on schedule, as the president said.

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@NorthDallas40,

Do you understand that a new provision had to be added to the appropriations bill because of Trump's hold? Do you also understand that as of December 12, 2019, the Ukraine STILL had not received all of those funds? That probably is beyond your capacity for comprehension, isn't it?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We have been through this before...

Per FactCheck.org :

False Claim Ukraine Got Aid 'Before Schedule'

By D'Angelo Gore

Posted on January 24, 2020

President Donald Trump, who last year froze hundreds of millions of dollars in security aid for Ukraine, claimed "they got all of it long before schedule." That's false.

For fiscal year 2019, Congress authorized $391 million in security assistance, including training, equipment, and other support, for Ukraine. Of that amount, $250 million was appropriated to the Defense Department for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, and $141.5 million was allocated to the State Department for the Foreign Military Financing program. The funds were meant to be spent by those departments by September 30, 2019.

In June, the Defense Department announced its plan to provide the $250 million in security assistance to the Ukraine. However, in July, Trump directed the White House Office of Management to put the aid on hold. He also had OMB block the assistance from the State Department.

It wasn't until about two months later, on Sept. 11, when the White House - under pressure from members of Congress and administration officials - released the money.

But because the Defense Department was required to wait another 15 days before it could begin obligating the funds, it wasn't able to spend all of the money before the end of September, when the fiscal year ends.

Congress had to add a provision to a continuing appropriations bill - which Trump signed into law on September 27 - allowing the unspent funds to be used in fiscal year 2020.

Mark Sandy, the deputy associate director for national security at OMB, testified at his November 16 deposition that approximately $35 million had been left unobligated by the Defense Department. Those funds, he said, "would have expired" if not for Congress stepping in.

Then, three days later, the Los Angeles Times reported that those funds still had not been spent, according to Pentagon documents the newspaper reviewed. And the following month, on December 12, the Times reported that about $20 million in aid "still hasn't reached Ukraine."

That demonstrates all funds did not go out on schedule, as the president said.
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Too slow. Look up one post. This fact-check narrative is simply wrong in their assertion.

No such article if impeachment was levied against Trump on misallocation of funds. And that would have been air tight has he done it.

Trump complied with the deadline by releasing the funds in FY2019 which he did.

It is stupid as hell to assume a two month delay as claimed impacted the DoD’s ability to put contracts in place in the remaining time. That is how the money is spent. And there is indeed a continuing resolution in FY2020 for DoD to spend that money.

I’ve been in this business for 30+ years. Your narrative won’t hunt. The money was allocated as required by law

The DoD was still spending these funds in Jan 20 as is logged in various correspondence. That is four months into FY2020 and thus if a two month delay occurred it would still be spent in FY2020

We were never giving the money to Ukraine FFS. We were giving DoD funds to buy goods and services for Ukraine. Goods and services procured in FY2020

Stop believing every stupid **** thing you read on the internet 🤡
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Too slow. Look up one post. This fact-check narrative is simply wrong in their assertion.

No such article if impeachment was levied against Trump on misallocation of funds. And that would have been air tight has he done it.

Trump complied with the deadline by releasing the funds in FY2019 which he did.

It is stupid as hell to assume a two month delay as claimed impacted the DoD’s ability to put contracts in place in the remaining time. That is how the money is spent. And there is indeed a continuing resolution in FY2020 for DoD to spend that money.

I’ve been in this business for 30+ years. Your narrative won’t hunt. The money was allocated as required by law

The DoD was still spending these funds in Jan 20 as is logged in various correspondence. That is four months into FY2020 and thus if a two month delay occurred it would still be spent in FY2020

Stop believing every stupid **** thing you read on the internet 🤡
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That fact check closely resembles every fact check on this subject... you are unread and dim-witted.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That fact check closely resembles every fact check on this subject... you are unread and dim-witted.
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Ok so I’ll guess ignorant. Your entry here, again, was “Ukraine never got the funds”. They still haven’t. They never will. The funds were allocated to DoD with which to buy goods and services for Ukraine well into FY2020

You are wrong. Again. Just like always.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok so I’ll guess ignorant. Your entry here, again, was “Ukraine never got the funds”. They still haven’t. They never will. The funds were allocated to DoD with which to buy goods and services for Ukraine well into FY2020

You are wrong. Again. Just like always.
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That is not true... You are in your usual state of confusion.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok so I’ll guess ignorant. Your entry here, again, was “Ukraine never got the funds”. They still haven’t. They never will. The funds were allocated to DoD with which to buy goods and services for Ukraine well into FY2020

You are wrong. Again. Just like always.
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But, but .... you're unread & dim-witted .... he forgot to add you're unwashed too. :cool:
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
@NorthDallas40,

Do you understand that a new provision had to be added to the appropriations bill because of Trump's hold? Do you also understand that as of December 12, 2019, the Ukraine STILL had not received all of those funds? That probably is beyond your capacity for comprehension, isn't it?
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Already addressed this in my reply. That “fact check” is **** BB. No name calling look i do this for a living.

Had Trump not allocated the funds he would have broken the law. He was already crossways on the law by not informing Congress. Which was the line I was actually throwing in the water here with Biden and is why he is strongly denying it.

There is simply no damn way DoD could have “spent” the “allocated” money in FY2019 with or without the delay. Your government doesn’t move that fast. The fact check is simply ****. The Dems would have had Trump cold if he missed Sept 30. He did no such thing.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true... You are in your usual state of confusion.
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Enough! Read my last reply. Again I’ve been doing this a long time. Your source is misrepresenting issues at play. It’s complete ****. There had to be an FY2020 legislative vehicle regardless so that DoD could write contacts in FY2020 for FY2019 funds. The government is just too slow to do otherwise.
 
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