To Protect and to Serve II

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AshG said:
I've said before that I'm cop fam. I'm one of only two men on my dad's side who has not been employed by a police or sheriff's department at some point (grandpa was a beat cop in Chattanooga, as were all three of his sons; dad left the force in his mid twenties and is now working for them again).

I was having a very frank conversation with one of my first cousins about the need to weed out bad cops. We're both in agreement that it has to happen, but there needs to be some way to do it more efficiently without placing good cops at risk.

My cousin was open with the fact that questioning cops' behavior from the inside has led and will lead to "accidents" while on duty. Reporting a cop up the chain, he believes, will likely lead to a friendly fire incident. Especially with officers who espouse supremacist or racist views and act display more violent behavior towards citizens of color.

I take him at his word. These problems could be fixed on the front end by better profiling and evaluation of potential cadets. Get rid of the mess before it gets in the door.

But what do we do with the ones already there, when the ranks close to protect their own even when they don't like their own?
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Just to summarize, cops will kill fellow cops if they report bad behavior, cops are white supremacists, racists and are violent towards POC? Did I miss anything?
 
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AshG said:
That's a massive oversimplification.

I am sorry you feel you have to act like this.
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My cousin was open with the fact that questioning cops' behavior from the inside has led and will lead to "accidents" while on duty. Reporting a cop up the chain, he believes, will likely lead to a friendly fire incident. Especially with officers who espouse supremacist or racist views and act display more violent behavior towards citizens of color.
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These aren't my words.
 
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VolStrom said:
These aren't my words.
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Nor did your representation match the spirit of mine.

Yes, some individuals will seek retribution for having their behavior exposed.

Yes, a percentage of officers hold abhorrent views concerning their fellow children of the Divine.

Not all. Your reduction did not reflect that.
 
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AshG said:
Nor did your representation match the spirit of mine.

Yes, some individuals will seek retribution for having their behavior exposed.

Yes, a percentage of officers hold abhorrent views concerning their fellow children of the Divine.

Not all. Your reduction did not reflect that.
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Is that caveat really necessary? Of course "not all".
 
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VolStrom said:
Which one is the hero in this case? All cops are hero's right?
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I don’t know but today’s list of hero’s is long. Heroes are :
-teachers
-people who vote
-people who get vaccinated
-people that report others to authorities
-parents that don’t abuse their children
-COVID survivors
-any sort of situation in which someone was victimized
-people who received govt stimulus
 
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midnight orange said:
I don’t know but today’s list of hero’s is long. Heroes are :
-teachers
-people who vote
-people who get vaccinated
-people that report others to authorities
-parents that don’t abuse their children
-COVID survivors
-any sort of situation in which someone was victimized
-people who received govt stimulus
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You don't want to get me started on the "hero" culture that exists today.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In this particular situation in Arkansas, the outrage is over two items. First, the lack of proportionality with regards to how to handle a minor offense. These cops have no problem jeopardizing or ruining lives over some reefer, a tinted windows, not wearing a mask, or some other petty infraction. That dumb azz cop could have killed someone not just in the vehicle, but jeopardized the lives of people in other lanes of traffic or himself even... over speeding on a highway with light traffic and no weather restrictions/limitations. Cars can safely travel at 80 mph on these highways in the right conditions. This clown made the roads more dangerous.

And then secondly, the fact that he doesn't get charged. "The cops investigated the situation and we found that the cop did nothing wrong." Or, "The DA investigated the cop and the DA found that the cop did nothing wrong." Whatever... cops and the judicial system protect one another but terrorize the civilians. They are above common folks.

The cops vs the people
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AshG said:
I've said before that I'm cop fam. I'm one of only two men on my dad's side who has not been employed by a police or sheriff's department at some point (grandpa was a beat cop in Chattanooga, as were all three of his sons; dad left the force in his mid twenties and is now working for them again).

I was having a very frank conversation with one of my first cousins about the need to weed out bad cops. We're both in agreement that it has to happen, but there needs to be some way to do it more efficiently without placing good cops at risk.

My cousin was open with the fact that questioning cops' behavior from the inside has led and will lead to "accidents" while on duty. Reporting a cop up the chain, he believes, will likely lead to a friendly fire incident. Especially with officers who espouse supremacist or racist views and act display more violent behavior towards citizens of color.

I take him at his word. These problems could be fixed on the front end by better profiling and evaluation of potential cadets. Get rid of the mess before it gets in the door.

But what do we do with the ones already there, when the ranks close to protect their own even when they don't like their own?
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Your cousin watches too many movies
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
???
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I had a response, but it's been a long day, and a long week. I'm already tired, and I'm working day shift at the SO tomorrow. Patrol is critically short. A lot on my mind, and you know how I defend those of us who took the oath to Serve and Protect seriously. You also know where I stand on those who betray that oath.

So I had a response..thought it over right after I posted it...and then deleted it. Moving forward, I'll answer for my actions, and the actions of those under my control. That's all I can do. For those who hate us, nothing I can post here will ever change your mind. And I have no control over, or sympathy for, those who betray their oath. I won't hand you a pitchfork or light your torch, but I also won't stand in your way. This is my last year on the line. It's time.

I'm a sheepdog. I guard the flock. If you're a predator, I'm looking for you. If you're not, then I'm as harmless as a poodle fart.

'night, Raz. Long day tomorrow.
 
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Velo Vol said:
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Looks dumb but as usual, the Tweeters lie about the situation, he's 19 and this wasn't his first issue with these officers.

I don't see a reason to tase him, unless they thought he was going for something in his backpack with his left hand, but that's a stretch to me
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Looks dumb but as usual, the Tweeters lie about the situation, he's 19 and this wasn't his first issue with these officers.

I don't see a reason to tase him, unless they thought he was going for something in his backpack with his left hand, but that's a stretch to me
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So those prior incidents must have made it ok to taser him in this instance? Was he fleeing or resisting? And vaping? Really?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So those prior incidents must have made it ok to taser him in this instance? Was re fleeing or resisting? And vaping? Really?
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If you read the actual story, he was refusing to leave private property which he been asked to do several times by both businesses and the police and they made the decision to arrest him for trespassing and he refused to get his ID out and begin to walk away and cuss at them, you can't walk away once you are being arrested or cited. Now i personally wouldn't tased him and I think that is excessive, however as usual with these stories, the "a 17 year old was arrested for just vaping" isnt even close to the actual truth.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you read the actual story, he was refusing to leave private property which he been asked to do several times by both businesses and the police and they made the decision to arrest him for trespassing and he refused to get his ID out and begin to walk away and cuss at them, you can't walk away once you are being arrested or cited. Now i personally wouldn't tased him and I think that is excessive, however as usual with these stories, the "a 17 year old was arrested for just vaping" isnt even close to the actual truth.
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That is the entire point of the video, sir. Of course it was excessive...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is the entire point of the video, sir. Of course it was excessive...
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yes but that doesn't mean that one buys in BS lying narratives instead of actual facts. Each criminal case involves a myriad of different circumstances that decides whether use of force is justified or not.

This is one that will likely fall under the "it's legally sound" but a grey area of necessity
 
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