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McDad said:
That could be. I just don't know enough of the demographics to know for certain.

For example, most of the critical hospitalizations were in 50+ age bracket. But I don't know the percentage who were 64.5+ and thus on medicare. Also, don't know if medicare is primary for those in that age range who are still working and have a private policy.

To get back to the server who sparked the convo, he would statistically be in the low risk to mitigate group, I'd imagine.
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I would think the workforce for the restaurant industry as a whole would be fairly low risk.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not lose weight, but yes on the checkups item (thought it's not a massive difference). Smokers pay more under our plan.
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This sounds very similar to McRib's arrangement. Now you got me curious what the hospital covers of her premium.
 
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McDad said:
This sounds very similar to McRib's arrangement. Now you got me curious what the hospital covers of her premium.
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My previous gig sent out a letter to each employee at the end of the year detailing "total compensation," which included the company's share of the premium. When I first started working there (2013), they actually didn't require employees to pay anything toward the premium (though spouses and families weren't free). But as the company grew, and costs rose, that became untenable.
 
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bamawriter said:
My previous gig sent out a letter to each employee at the end of the year detailing "total compensation," which included the company's share of the premium. When I first started working there (2013), they actually didn't require employees to pay anything toward the premium (though spouses and families weren't free). But as the company grew, and costs rose, that became untenable.
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Was that why you changed employers during the pandemic (which seems like a risky move to me)?
 
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bamawriter said:
Your employer appears to disagree.



Now that's a decent argument. If they are going to enforce the policy, they can't pick-and-choose.



Well yeah, they could do that. Of course, it's also possible that they're trying to goad their unvaxxed employees into quitting so they don't have to fork out for unemployment.



If they're providing insurance, they wind up paying for hospitalizations no matter where or how the employee got sick. That stuff adds up quick.
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Yeah I had my mask off Sunday night after customers left and nobody cared.

Everyone was so happy seeing everyone's faces!

Yeah they aren't insuring me.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Yeah I had my mask off Sunday night after customers left and nobody cared.

Everyone was so happy seeing everyone's faces!

Yeah they aren't insuring me.
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I have considered simply asking the server to take off their mask when I can see it bothers them or they keep fidgeting with it anyway. Would your management come down on you if a guest requested you go without a mask at their table?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
LG, do you think there is a reasonable argument that could be made that you may not want to have everyone vaccinated... just in case there are some long term problems and the people that are not vaccinated could help in some way later on with blood transfusions or further development of future vaccines?
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I don't think a "good" or "reasonable argument" can be made for not getting the vaccine based on some unknown and as yet undetected complication from the vaccine, no. But by the nature of what you speculate -- that in the future there could be some unknown risk associated with the vaccines -- it is of course very easy for you to reply that I cannot know for certain.

The times where a vaccine or other medical treatment have had unintended or unknown consequences is incredibly tiny in the scheme of all the different vaccines or treatments developed over the years. But when it has happened, i.e. Thalidomide, it made people nervous in the future.

Now, with Thalidomide (and as far as I know every other instance like it) the side effect was known pretty quickly, within weeks or months. And of course the safety testing instituted in the interim ought to give you even more comfort on that.

Just seems to me that this "risk" argument is being used to justify other, political or cultural sentiments, which have no merit.
 
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McDad said:
Was that why you changed employers during the pandemic (which seems like a risky move to me)?
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No. The CEO that hired me passed away unexpectedly a couple of years back. The board replaced him with a raging a*****e. Another company reached out and offered me more money and an office 5 minutes from my house. I've since hired two of my former coworkers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think a "good" or "reasonable argument" can be made for not getting the vaccine based on some unknown and as yet undetected complication from the vaccine, no. But by the nature of what you speculate -- that in the future there could be some unknown risk associated with the vaccines -- it is of course very easy for you to reply that I cannot know for certain.

The times where a vaccine or other medical treatment have had unintended or unknown consequences is incredibly tiny in the scheme of all the different vaccines or treatments developed over the years. But when it has happened, i.e. Thalidomide, it made people nervous in the future.

Now, with Thalidomide (and as far as I know every other instance like it) the side effect was known pretty quickly, within weeks or months. And of course the safety testing instituted in the interim ought to give you even more comfort on that.

Just seems to me that this "risk" argument is being used to justify other, political or cultural sentiments, which have no merit.
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The MRNA vaccines are different than typical dead/dormant virus ones.

And the reason there are so few issues is because of all the testing.

J&J is the old type with actual virus IIRC and it has had the most issues. Even requiring a stoppage of production, that wasnt based solely on side effects.

Trump gave big pharma a large check and a get out of jail free card. How, out of ALL the things you hate on Trump for, that not one them?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think a "good" or "reasonable argument" can be made for not getting the vaccine based on some unknown and as yet undetected complication from the vaccine, no. But by the nature of what you speculate -- that in the future there could be some unknown risk associated with the vaccines -- it is of course very easy for you to reply that I cannot know for certain.

The times where a vaccine or other medical treatment have had unintended or unknown consequences is incredibly tiny in the scheme of all the different vaccines or treatments developed over the years. But when it has happened, i.e. Thalidomide, it made people nervous in the future.

Now, with Thalidomide (and as far as I know every other instance like it) the side effect was known pretty quickly, within weeks or months. And of course the safety testing instituted in the interim ought to give you even more comfort on that.

Just seems to me that this "risk" argument is being used to justify other, political or cultural sentiments, which have no merit.
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Do you think flu vaccines should be mandatory on a yearly basis?
 
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McDad said:
I have considered simply asking the server to take off their mask when I can see it bothers them or they keep fidgeting with it anyway. Would your management come down on you if a guest requested you go without a mask at their table?
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I guess not. But then that next table I better not!
I was pulling it down at tables yesterday and it didn't matter to anybody.

I mean hell nobody really cares anymore. Almost no one comes in with one on. I went to two bars last night and zero workers and zero people were wearing any masks. And this is in East Nashville the most BLM liberal part of the city.

It's simply unreasonable. Its also getting really hot and it's miserable with that thing on.

I'm also thinking if I and others like me submit it will embolden them to try and mandate a vaccine to work there.

We know how slippery these covid slopes have been.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Do you think flu vaccines should be mandatory on a yearly basis?
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Interesting point but it begs the question in a sense because it is not mandatory that one get this vaccine, either.

In the case of both, they are strongly encouraged. More so with covid, to be sure, but covid is more acute an issue, so that's not surprising.
 
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McDad said:
Excluding Waffle House, I'd agree.

@volfanhill is probably our best resource on it.
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For the most part it skews younger. As far the upset poster goes, I highly doubt they are asking for proof anyway. That's an area companies are avoiding. It's the honor system. No lawsuit to consider. Companies will fall back on "hey we are just doing what the CDC says." His options are to lie, get vaccinated, or wear a mask until the CDC says it's safe to no longer wear one. @hog88 is rights its all about liability protections.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting point but it begs the question in a sense because it is not mandatory that one get this vaccine, either.

In the case of both, they are strongly encouraged. More so with covid, to be sure, but covid is more acute an issue, so that's not surprising.
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Nice non answer lawyer speak.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting point but it begs the question in a sense because it is not mandatory that one get this vaccine, either.

In the case of both, they are strongly encouraged. More so with covid, to be sure, but covid is more acute an issue, so that's not surprising.
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It was actually a simple "yes" or "no" question.
 
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utvols88 said:
That's because costs constantly go up in the medical field, coding isn't consistent and fraud is prevalent. When a hospital charges an insurance company $50 for a tylenol... 🤷‍♂️
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I made that point a few years ago with another poster. Health insurance profit is predicated on constantly rising medical care costs.
 
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McDad said:
I made that point a few years ago with another poster. Health insurance profit is predicated on constantly rising medical care costs.
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I think that was me lol. I went on a rant about people blaming insurance during the lead up to the democratic debates.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think a "good" or "reasonable argument" can be made for not getting the vaccine based on some unknown and as yet undetected complication from the vaccine, no. But by the nature of what you speculate -- that in the future there could be some unknown risk associated with the vaccines -- it is of course very easy for you to reply that I cannot know for certain.

The times where a vaccine or other medical treatment have had unintended or unknown consequences is incredibly tiny in the scheme of all the different vaccines or treatments developed over the years. But when it has happened, i.e. Thalidomide, it made people nervous in the future.

Now, with Thalidomide (and as far as I know every other instance like it) the side effect was known pretty quickly, within weeks or months. And of course the safety testing instituted in the interim ought to give you even more comfort on that.

Just seems to me that this "risk" argument is being used to justify other, political or cultural sentiments, which have no merit.
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wow. You are all in.

government told me to, so I question nothing. I thought lawyers were critical thinkers.
 
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