President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[luthervol]

What do the moderate Democrats on this board think about the shift toward socialism of their party?

We've been partially socialist since the beginning. It's always only been a matter of the ratio.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What do the moderate Democrats on this board think about the shift toward socialism of their party?

In the military it's called collateral damage. If the country suffers, meh. The only thing that matters is: Muh Trump

 

[KB5252]

What is it?

The move toward socialism of the Democrat party?

 

[McDad]

Zep you are one of the more sensible liberals.

The truth is your party appears to have abandoned many of your positions. I know you are not a Bernie or The Squad fan but those ideas seem to have tragically consumed the party.

I disagree. Here's why. While both parties are drifting left over time, there isn't some lurch to the extreme left in the D party. The squad folks are simply touted by both the liberal and conservative media. The radicals get a disproportionate amount of coverage. The consumers of that media gradually get confirmation bias those folks are taking over.

 

[KB5252]

We've been partially socialist since the beginning. It's always only been a matter of the ratio.

I don't completely disagree, but the Democrat party has veered sharply socialist with some members and or family calling for insurrection and revolution. Just wanted to know what Democrats thought about the party and it's direction.

 

[RikidyBones]

Pete reminds me of the frail kid in school. Good student. Completely harmless. But just a little off center socially. Like, he would talk way past people's capacity to tolerate about completely trivial interests.

Spot on lol

 

[KB5252]

I disagree. Here's why. While both parties are drifting left over time, there isn't some lurch to the extreme left in the D party. The squad folks are simply touted by both the liberal and conservative media. The radicals get a disproportionate amount of coverage. The consumers of that media gradually get confirmation bias those folks are taking over.

I see the point but those members aren't insignificant. They have become the face of the party on par with Pelosi. With a weak president their "power" is further magnified.

 

[McDad]

I see the point but those members aren't insignificant. They have become the face of the party on par with Pelosi. With a weak president their "power" is further magnified.

They have influence. I don't know if they have power. You would have to show how their legislation was adopted in its radical form. Or, how they have forced Biden or others to kowtow to their radical agenda even though the other politicians didn't want to.

 

[zeppelin128]

Pete reminds me of the frail kid in school. Good student. Completely harmless. But just a little off center socially. Like, he would talk way past people's capacity to tolerate about completely trivial interests.

I like you McDad, but you watch yourself talking about Pete.

 

[McDad]

I like you McDad, but you watch yourself talking about Pete.

OK. No harm intended.

I don't wanna get shanked in the PF showers later on. I apologize.

 

[KB5252]

They have influence. I don't know if they have power. You would have to show how their legislation was adopted in its radical form. Or, how they have forced Biden or others to kowtow to their radical agenda even though the other politicians didn't want to.

I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Biden's lack of backbone and leadership on immigration is out of fear of the trouble AOC's crew would bring. I believe it's why he handed it to Harris and why she's also completely hands off.

 

[zeppelin128]

They have influence. I don't know if they have power. You would have to show how their legislation was adopted in its radical form. Or, how they have forced Biden or others to kowtow to their radical agenda even though the other politicians didn't want to.

Bernie Sanders has two bills to his name, if I recall correctly. Both post office related. Maybe three. All still post office related.

 

[luthervol]

They have influence. I don't know if they have power. You would have to show how their legislation was adopted in its radical form. Or, how they have forced Biden or others to kowtow to their radical agenda even though the other politicians didn't want to.

I've always believed that there is a natural, inevitable, and appropriate movement left in society. The two parties are frantically rowing in opposite directions as the current moves the boat leftward, all that the rowing accomplishes is a tiny and temporary increase or decrease in the speed of that movement.

 

[zeppelin128]

I don't completely disagree, but the Democrat party has veered sharply socialist with some members and or family calling for insurrection and revolution. Just wanted to know what Democrats thought about the party and it's direction.

Well I'm not a Democrat, but I know the party as a whole has not veered sharply socialist. Does the GOP have some outliers? Well, the Democratic party does as well. If they mattered at all, they would have not lost the ENTIRE STATE OF MICHIGAN in the primaries.

 

[McDad]

I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Biden's lack of backbone and leadership on immigration is out of fear of the trouble AOC's crew would bring. I believe it's why he handed it to Harris and why she's also completely hands off.

You may be right. But I would offer as evidence of Biden's lack of backbone an almost-50 year career as a professional politician with not one meaningful (maybe one) piece of legislation originating in him. He is, in my opinion, the quintessential do nothing, spineless, stooge who only serves to get in the pig pen and get dirty when the party needs him to.

 

[McDad]

I've always believed that there is a natural, inevitable, and appropriate movement left in society. The two parties are frantically rowing in opposite directions as the current moves the boat leftward, all that the rowing accomplishes is a tiny and temporary increase or decrease in the speed of that movement.

It should come as no surprise we see things differently.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Well I'm not a Democrat, but I know the party as a whole has not veered sharply socialist. Does the GOP have some outliers? Well, the Democratic party does as well. If they mattered at all, they would have not lost the ENTIRE STATE OF MICHIGAN in the primaries.

You cannot be serious.

 

[luthervol]

I disagree. Here's why. While both parties are drifting left over time, there isn't some lurch to the extreme left in the D party. The squad folks are simply touted by both the liberal and conservative media. The radicals get a disproportionate amount of coverage. The consumers of that media gradually get confirmation bias those folks are taking over.

This is the post to which I was intending to respond. We may not agree completely, but we do agree that both parties drift left over time.

 

[zeppelin128]

You cannot be serious.

Yeah. What issue do you have with what I posted?

 

[Grand Vol]

What’s up with Joe and Kam shipping illegals in to TN under the cover of darkness after Governor Lee said no thanks!?

Well, until Governors start taking a more active role in keeping them out, it'll continue.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah. What issue do you have with what I posted?

The fact that you don't recognize the hard left turn of the socialist party.

And your boy is gonna be a disaster as SecTrans. His proposal of taxing miles is a socialist control idea

 

[McDad]

This is the post to which I was intending to respond. We may not agree,

Understood. And while i understand the content of the post you typed for your reply, I see things differently than you relative to the content of your reply.

 

[zeppelin128]

The fact that you don't recognize the hard left turn of the socialist party.

Eh, some loud mouths and outspoken folks. Same as some on the right doing the same..

 

[luthervol]

Understood. And while i understand the content of the post you typed for your reply, I see things differently than you relative to the content of your reply.

I got that. But at least we both recognize that both parties drift left over time. That is one of the corner pieces to the puzzle.

 

[hog88]

Pete reminds me of the frail kid in school. Good student. Completely harmless. But just a little off center socially. Like, he would talk way past people's capacity to tolerate about completely trivial interests.

Like someone who would use civil war trivia to pick up chicks?