Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[itsme]

That's awesome! I know so many who are struggling. Among them is my husband. Y'all please keep him in your prayers. He really wants to quit drinking, but he is struggling.

You may have already discussed previously, has he tried a detox facility? Depending on how deep he is in with alcohol, withdrawals it can be a real struggle and I am pretty sure deadly. Not sure where you live but there are great facilities all around the country that can help him to get through his withdrawals.

 

[drvenner]

Just laughable how people still defend Fulmer for getting that pension after the university said no to giving money to Pruitt, wasn’t Fulmer complicit in that too?

Many people are refuting what you are saying. People that know what went down. Not sure why you think that is laughable.

 

[itsme]

Addiction recovery as it relates to trauma and wholeness is an area of great interest to me, and hopefully a future ministry expression, but I don’t have experience with working with alcoholics yet.

Blessings

I feel this is the great need in ministry at this time. Too many focus on the addiction and not the trauma and lack of wholeness that is in many peoples lives.

 

[LA Vol]

Have to disagree. He also won our last NC as a head coach. If you can't at least see some of the stuff he did right and also consider what mess he inherited as AD, then you are clearly biased

Not to mention fundraising and donor/community relations. For anyone who can look at the big picture: UT could have profited by hiring an AD and keeping Fulmer in a fundraising/facilities role. He could have earned the money some find so objectionable and exceeded it in donations. UT could have fast-tracked projects that have bogged down since his departure and made coaches, donors and fans very happy.

Checks and balances generally work to a system's advantage. Example: we'd now have architect renderings for LNS renos and be moving forward instead of talking about the Vols playing in a downtown stadium.

 

[volbeast33]

You mean he made a lot money from the university because after 98 he didn’t do anything

I hate how we degrade all our UT greats..... he was a UT football player..... a lead assistant during our rebuild under majors..... the coach during our greatest decade in my lifetime... he was the last coach to lead us to an sec championship game in 2007.... he has been an ambassador for the university for years and donated money and time when asked by the university....... He was a bad AD and deserved to be fired for it.....I felt the same about Holly Warlick.... she gave so much to the university but was just a bad basketball coach..... What have you ever done Voltaire?

 

[rekinhavoc]

I prefer to knock them on their asses, then keep a foot on their chests when they try to get up. I want them to see every bit of the ass-whipping that they deserve...

Snot bubbles...I like it.

 

[Volitaire]

Many people are refuting what you are saying. People that know what went down. Not sure why you think that is laughable.

The idea that the university president turned us in to fire a coach is ridiculous, especially when they had the power to fire anybody they wanted…

 

[volbeast33]

Not to mention fundraising and recruiting. For anyone who can look at the big picture: UT could have profited by hiring an AD and keeping Fulmer in a fundraising/facilities role. He could have earned the money some find so objectionable and exceeded it in donations. UT could have fast-tracked projects that have bogged down since his departure and made coaches, donors and fans very happy.

Checks and balances generally work to a system's advantage. Example: we'd now have architect renderings for LNS renos and be moving forward instead of talking about the Vols playing in a downtown stadium.

Yep..... he was made for the fundraising role.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Just laughable how people still defend Fulmer for getting that pension after the university said no to giving money to Pruitt, wasn’t Fulmer complicit in that too?

Complicit in what? I can promise you we were not doing anything the rest of the league isn't doing in regards to player payments. Were we less intelligent about it? Probably.

The only difference is we used it to fire a coach and AD the school President didn't want in the job(s) anymore.

 

[Volitaire]

I hate how we degrade all our UT greats..... he was a UT football player..... a lead assistant during our rebuild under majors..... the coach during our greatest decade in my lifetime... he was the last coach to lead us to an sec championship game in 2007.... he has been an ambassador for the university for years and donated money and time when asked by the university....... He was a bad AD and deserved to be fired for it.....I felt the same about Holly Warlick.... she gave so much to the university but was just a bad basketball coach..... What have you ever done Voltaire?

Lol I don’t get paid to be as awful as he was, but apparently our fans think we should be okay that a former great robbed the university of a lot money

 

[SweetasSoda]

You mean he made a lot money from the university because after 98 he didn’t do anything

No, I mean he chose to play for TN instead of AL. He led us to a national championship while compiling a record of 152-52. He tried to return us to that glory as an AD and failed. That doesn't wipe out everything else.

 

[LA Vol]

I hate how we degrade all our UT greats..... he was a UT football player..... a lead assistant during our rebuild under majors..... the coach during our greatest decade in my lifetime... he was the last coach to lead us to an sec championship game in 2007.... he has been an ambassador for the university for years and donated money and time when asked by the university....... He was a bad AD and deserved to be fired for it.....I felt the same about Holly Warlick.... she gave so much to the university but was just a bad basketball coach..... What have you ever done Voltaire?

UT could have kept HW for fundraising, recruiting and donor/community relations, as well. Those were her strengths-- not HCing. If UT would capitalize on people's strengths instead of trying to hammer square pegs in a round hole, everyone would benefit.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I feel this is the great need in ministry at this time. Too many focus on the addiction and not the trauma and lack of wholeness that is in many peoples lives.

Addiction isn’t the problem, it’s the attempt to solve/medicate/numb the problem

 

[Devo182]

Lol I don’t get paid to be as awful as he was, but apparently our fans think we should be okay that a former great robbed the university of a lot money

It comes out to a bit over $1mm lol. It's not like he ran off with $50mm and left us broke. He fundraised many many times over that.

And his championship was worth wayyy more than that (not to mention when we won it all, the guy was making 800k/year, a mere pittance compared to what he would be getting paid these days as a major HC...or even as a really awful one...).

If you think Fulmer got the great deal over his career, I'd say think again. Whatever he's earned in his career here, he's been worth 10x that.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I hate how we degrade all our UT greats..... he was a UT football player..... a lead assistant during our rebuild under majors..... the coach during our greatest decade in my lifetime... he was the last coach to lead us to an sec championship game in 2007.... he has been an ambassador for the university for years and donated money and time when asked by the university....... He was a bad AD and deserved to be fired for it.....I felt the same about Holly Warlick.... she gave so much to the university but was just a bad basketball coach..... What have you ever done Voltaire?

Until the second half of the Georgia game, Fulmer, could have sold vials of his farts around here.

Revisionist history around here

 

[Volitaire]

Complicit in what? I can promise you we were not doing anything the rest of the league isn't doing in regards to player payments. Were we less intelligent about it? Probably.

The only difference is we used it to fire a coach and AD the school President didn't want in the job(s) anymore.

No, I mean he chose to play for TN instead of AL. He led us to a national championship while compiling a record of 152-52. He tried to return us to that glory as an AD and failed. That doesn't wipe out everything else.

The difference Kingston is we didn’t pay Pruitt’s buyout but for some reason payed the guy that hired him and failed to fire him when he had the chance.

It wipes out everything else for me, the decisions he made were infallible and he walked out the door with money in hand from the university he said he loves lol and the whole point of this convo was not giving him any credit for his time as AD…

 

[SweetasSoda]

The only thing Fulmer did wrong is stick with Pruitt after a three win year.

But to be honest with you, I would rather be riding with Pruitt and Fulmer through this season, with no sanctions because we didn't turn ourselves in, than Heupel plus sanctions for the next three years.

If Pruitt were bad this year (2021), Fulmer would have moved on and I think we're more likely to hire a big named coach with no sanctions.

Obviously these decisions are not made in a vacuum.

Another year with Pruitt being bad would have landed us in a worse situation than when we hired Pruitt....because absolutely no head coach wanted anything to do with us. How are you thinking that would have led to a big name coach? We had no sanctions when we were forced to settle for a DC. Despite sanctions we ended up with a really good OC/QB coach with head coaching experience that won a NC and was a Heisman runner up.

 

[Brillovol]

Could you imagine if Drunk Johnny vs. Benedict Phil had happened today? VN would be like...







Heck, we’re already like that, so I guess nothing would be different.

 

[Kingston Vol]

The difference Kingston is we didn’t pay Pruitt’s buyout but for some reason payed the guy that hired him and failed to fire him when he had the chance.

It wipes out everything else for me, the decisions he made were infallible and he walked out the door with money in hand from the university he said he loves lol and the whole point of this convo was not giving him any credit for his time as AD…

You pay people when you fire them in this line of work. That's just the way it is. Pruitt is very likely to get some settlement money if he keeps fighting it.

Fulmer was pushed out because Plowman wanted to hire an AD to hire a football coach. He wasn't necessarily fired because he was bad at the job.

Interestingly enough, it sounds like Plowman isn't totally safe right now either.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Another year with Pruitt being bad would have landed us in a worse situation than when we hired Pruitt because absolutely no head coach wanted anything to do with us. How are you thinking that would have led to a big name coach? We had no sanctions when we were forced to settle for a DC. Despite sanctions we ended up with a really good OC/QB coach with head coaching experience that won a NC and was a Heisman runner up.

I don't *know* that we would have hired a big name, I just think it would have been more likely had we not turned ourselves in to the NCAA.

I'm just not high on Josh Heupel. If you gave me a do-over, I would take it. But that doesn't mean I'm rooting against him. I hope to be proven wrong.

 

[volbeast33]

UT could have kept HW for fundraising, recruiting and donor/community relations, as well. Those were her strengths-- not HCing. If UT would capitalize on people's strengths instead of trying to hammer square pegs in a round hole, everyone would benefit.

I agree with that.

 

[SweetasSoda]

UT could have kept HW for fundraising, recruiting and donor/community relations, as well. Those were her strengths-- not HCing. If UT would capitalize on people's strengths instead of trying to hammer square pegs in a round hole, everyone would benefit.

Goodness, that is what we do isn't it?

 

[Volitaire]

You pay people when you fire them in this line of work. That's just the way it is. Pruitt is very likely to get some settlement money if he keeps fighting it.

Fulmer was pushed out because Plowman wanted to hire an AD to hire a football coach. He wasn't necessarily fired because he was bad at the job.

Interestingly enough, it sounds like Plowman isn't totally safe right now either.

How can that be I thought Fulmer loved the university? Why would he take money from something he loves and left in shambles? He’s our savior that we should cherish for year’s…

 

[volbeast33]

Until the second half of the Georgia game, Fulmer, could have sold vials of his farts around here.

Revisionist history around here

I really can’t complain much.... I wanted Pruitt as our coach before he was even an option..... I thought he was going to be the next great coach..... I was very wrong and hold my head in shame.

 

[LA Vol]

All those buyouts people don't think we pay... guess what? UT handles it behind the scenes and keeps it quiet with NDAs. It's all posturing. First comes a call from a very good attorney, then a demand letter, then they negotiate.

UT has been paying off fired, outraged people for a decade. Hart left a lot of them in his wake. The trend continues.