Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

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volinbham said:
it reminds me of the Twittwat that triumphly posted that suicides were not up and used a chart showing massive spikes in deaths from chronic diseases (likely due to not seeking treatment during the pandemic).
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The one that said a 6% decrease but showed like 1/4 the typical norm?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Who. Cares.
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What you're seeing is a group of people (and their media allies) who came into visibility/relevance/importance from a particular event happening trying desperately to hold on to it even though the reason for their importance is going away.

It's akin to a situation like this - say you were being sued by someone and needed a lawyer. You didn't previously know this person from Adam, but due to your circumstances you talked to them every day, were in great need of their advice and expertise, and really relied on them for guidance. And I'm being quite generous to someone like Fauci here with this analogy; he has not always provided useful and practical guidance during this pandemic, but whatever.

The lawsuit comes and goes, yet once it is resolved this lawyer keeps bugging you every day, asking if you need this or that, giving advice about things that are now irrelevant (because the case is over), being nosy about other potential legal needs you might have, and just generally trying to stay in front of you every day. That is what is happening now.

They know that there will come a time where they won't be all that relevant (and it is happening already), and they are trying to hang on to it.
 
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05_never_again said:
What you're seeing is a group of people (and their media allies) who came into visibility/relevance/importance from a particular event happening trying desperately to hold on to it even though the reason for their importance is going away.

It's akin to a situation like this - say you were being sued by someone and needed a lawyer. You didn't previously know this person from Adam, but due to your circumstances you talked to them every day, were in great need of their advice and expertise, and really relied on them for guidance. And I'm being quite generous to someone like Fauci here with this analogy; he has not always provided useful and practical guidance during this pandemic, but whatever.

The lawsuit comes and goes, yet once it is resolved this lawyer keeps bugging you every day, asking if you need this or that, giving advice about things that are now irrelevant (because the case is over), being nosy about other potential legal needs you might have, and just generally trying to stay in front of you every day. That is what is happening now.

They know that there will come a time where they won't be all that relevant (and it is happening already), and they are trying to hang on to it.
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It’s a symbiotic relationship…as long as Covid is still a significant threat, they remain relevant. They continue to do op-Ed’s and media interviews to warn of the continued threat. This softens the populace to continued restrictions and regulations because Covid is still a threat. And the cycle continues…..
 
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05_never_again said:
What you're seeing is a group of people (and their media allies) who came into visibility/relevance/importance from a particular event happening trying desperately to hold on to it even though the reason for their importance is going away.

It's akin to a situation like this - say you were being sued by someone and needed a lawyer. You didn't previously know this person from Adam, but due to your circumstances you talked to them every day, were in great need of their advice and expertise, and really relied on them for guidance. And I'm being quite generous to someone like Fauci here with this analogy; he has not always provided useful and practical guidance during this pandemic, but whatever.

The lawsuit comes and goes, yet once it is resolved this lawyer keeps bugging you every day, asking if you need this or that, giving advice about things that are now irrelevant (because the case is over), being nosy about other potential legal needs you might have, and just generally trying to stay in front of you every day. That is what is happening now.

They know that there will come a time where they won't be all that relevant (and it is happening already), and they are trying to hang on to it.
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I think for a lot of people this is like their WWII. Wearing a mask is easy af but they've convinced themselves they're doing something extraordinary and beating Tojo by masking up. Then you have like the Green Berets who are vaccinated AND wearing masks, they are fighting a battle few of us could ever handle. The people I see outside wearing masks that I would bet a grand are also fully vaxxed is sad. Currently we're running 30-40 new cases a day but you wouldn't know it going some places.
 
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Sea Ray said:
At this point don't take anything these bureaucrats say as advice or worse than that "permission" to do something. Consider their comments entertainment and comic relief...:D
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I would if it was funny. I don't think there is anything at all amusing about this particular method of leftist power grab.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I think for a lot of people this is like their WWII. Wearing a mask is easy af but they've convinced themselves they're doing something extraordinary and beating Tojo by masking up. Then you have like the Green Berets who are vaccinated AND wearing masks, they are fighting a battle few of us could ever handle. The people I see outside wearing masks that I would bet a grand are also fully vaxxed is sad. Currently we're running 30-40 new cases a day but you wouldn't know it going some places.
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That is virtue/social signaling. The response to the pandemic was largely a public policy decision, so of course it was going to be heavily politicized. The continued show of wearing a mask (not just wearing a mask, but doing things like taking a picture of yourself alone in your car wearing a mask to put on social media) is a way to own your political enemies, who you deem as stupid, "anti-science," or whatever.

And to be fair, the same thing exists on the other side. There are many who make a show of their not wearing a mask, or not getting the vaccine, to own political enemies.

Overall I agree with you though - in some places the mask wearing is so over the top you'd think COVID was running roughshod everywhere and killing 50% of the people who got it or something. Particularly people continuing to wear masks outside with nobody else around. That is 100% purely a show and an attempt to make a display of your "virtue."
 
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Apropos…

COVID-19 and the fear-mongering five-percenters | Opinion

I’ve said for a long time that Fauci is a brilliant laboratory physician, but he is unable to communicate risk/benefit as a clinician. He is unable to allow the public (the patients) to accept ANY risk above 0%. Paternalistic medicine at its finest, a concept that should’ve died off decades ago.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Apropos…

COVID-19 and the fear-mongering five-percenters | Opinion

I’ve said for a long time that Fauci is a brilliant laboratory physician, but he is unable to communicate risk/benefit as a clinician. He is unable to allow the public (the patients) to accept ANY risk above 0%. Paternalistic medicine at its finest, a concept that should’ve died off decades ago.
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Fauci is Exhibit A of how doctors (or most technical experts generally speaking) should not really be in leadership or decision-making positions. Ben Carson is another prominent example of this.

Just because you know a lot of technical information in a particular field does not mean you are a good communicator or have good judgment. There is an easy tendency people have to look at technical experts and say "Oh look, they're 'smart,' let them make the call." But it is two totally different skill sets.
 
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Looks like vaccine does prevent spread….
Detection of persistent SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in oral mucosal fluid and upper respiratory tract specimens following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination

Doesn’t look like Pfizer will need a booster for UK or Brazilian variants….
BioNTech: Covid-19 Vaccine Does Not Need Any Changes To Protect Against Variants

Even the NYT is starting to push the pendulum the other direction…..
Opinion | It’s Going to Be Weird, but We Need to Learn to Live With Germs Again

And, not really sure we will need a combo flu/Covid vaccine, but just in case….
Novavax Combination Vaccine Shows Positive Preclinical Results
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I think for a lot of people this is like their WWII. Wearing a mask is easy af but they've convinced themselves they're doing something extraordinary and beating Tojo by masking up. Then you have like the Green Berets who are vaccinated AND wearing masks, they are fighting a battle few of us could ever handle. The people I see outside wearing masks that I would bet a grand are also fully vaxxed is sad. Currently we're running 30-40 new cases a day but you wouldn't know it going some places.
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I went to my one of my grandson's little league baseball game over the weekend and there were a pair of gray haired people (grandparents I assume) sitting along the outfield fence by themselves wearing masks. Hopefully they didn't get infected by the 300 other people that weren't wearing masks nearby.
 
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05_never_again said:
Fauci is Exhibit A of how doctors (or most technical experts generally speaking) should not really be in leadership or decision-making positions. Ben Carson is another prominent example of this.

Just because you know a lot of technical information in a particular field does not mean you are a good communicator or have good judgment. There is an easy tendency people have to look at technical experts and say "Oh look, they're 'smart,' let them make the call." But it is two totally different skill sets.
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Much better when a reality TV star calls the shots than smart doctors
 
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05_never_again said:
Why not insert "career politician with no medical background" instead of "reality TV star?" Neither of them have any kind of medical background.

Not everything is a political point.
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Ok. sorry for thinking you were making a political point when talking about political issues in the political forum :)
 
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rjd970 said:
Again - your twitter nonsense is filled with BS and incomplete data.

• COVID-19 testing rate by country | Statista

Sweden looks worse because they test more than Finland and Denmark - and it isn't close. Your plots even hint at this.

Same with people saying that the U.S. and U.K. are failing - they aren't, they just have a better handle on administration logistics and tracking of tests. And also - I still question how we (and Sweden, U.K, etc..)are tracking deaths. From what I can tell, if there is a positive test at the time of death it is still counted in the statistics - whether the person died from brain cancer or a car wreck. So countries like us and the U.K. will always look the worse - because we are killing it with testing and liberally counting causes of death.

Seriously - I just don't get the need to blow this up into something it isn't and push an agenda. For once, you 'bros need to lay off Twitter and TikTok and actually present the stats with some context. COVID is serious enough as it is, and you should be ashamed and embarrassed for playing politics with it.
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EL doesn’t want the COVID fear porn to end.
 
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