Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[VolGee4]

Not a fan of doghouses. Seems like an ego driven relic of the past.

I would think it has to do with motivation and responsibility. Barnes wants players who want coaching and want to be the best they can be. It appears he gives you a chance and if you can't help yourself, then he can't help you.

 

[tnhunter 10]

Maurer is just the most physically capable of all of them. Physically he doesn’t really have a weakness. Quicker release, he’s mobile, he can get to platform relatively easy, he’s not a power thrower like a Justin Herbert or something but he has a live arm quick arm that can really zip through tight windows and on balls to the boundary, he has quick eyes too which sometimes gets him in trouble Bc
He has a Bad tendency to perceive pressure that’s not really there and rush through his reads. But since this offense is one-two reads tops... it fits him perfect.

You're giving me hope....quit it.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Pruitt is the worst head coach we’ve had here and it’s not close. Dooley was better and butch was 10x better

I gotta ask then...why were we so optimistic going into year 3? I hate to say JP got "lucky" on the 6 game win streak, but it certainly felt that way even while we were winning the games.

 

[triadvolfan]

Pruitt is the worst head coach we’ve had here and it’s not close. Dooley was better and butch was 10x better

I'd take Pruitt over Dooley and it's not even all that close. Dooley had 5 conference wins in 3 seasons. Pruitt had 10.

I'd take Jones over Pruitt but saying he's 10x better is kind of ridiculous. Pruitt had a slightly better conference win %. Jones never laid an egg like Georgia State though and he made consistent progress his first 3 years while Pruitt took a huge step back so Jones gets a slight edge.

We've had terrible head coaches for a while. Pruitt wasn't unique or way worse than the others. They just all stunk. Before Heupel, Jones was the only one with even a decent track record as a head coach. I thought Fulmer was pretty bad by the time he got fired but if the administration wasn't serious about hiring a proven coach they never should have fired him.

 

[SSVol]

Dooley couldn’t muster a winning record here and Butch went 0-8 in the SEC in freaking Year 5, the worst season the Vols have ever had, but sure.

Y’all mofos got some selective memories.

I'm no Butch apologist, but you also seem to be engaging in selective memory. Butch only coached 6 of the 8 SEC games in his last season, and he and the team were pretty checked out after it was apparent Butch was gonna be fired. Not really a fair evaluation of his coaching.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Yep. Barnes is as stubborn as they come sometimes.

Dumbest s*** I've ever seen not playing DJ Burns and Walker during their times here. Everyone knows Barnes has his reasons but when you are playing for championships you throw that crap out the window and play to win the game. We were dealing with a Fulkerson injury and genius decides to play Pember, Gaines, Anosike, and Plavsic.

 

[butchna]

I would think it has to do with motivation and responsibility. Barnes wants players who want coaching and want to be the best they can be. It appears he gives you a chance and if you can't help yourself, then he can't help you.

If you simply board up the doghouse and never revisit the tenant? I don’t see the motivation angle.

 

[VolGee4]

Dumbest s*** I've ever seen not playing DJ Burns and Walker during their times here. Everyone knows Barnes has his reasons but when you are playing for championships you throw that crap out the window and play to win the game. We were dealing with a Fulkerson injury and genius decides to play Pember, Gaines, Anosike, and Plavsic.

Burns was redshirting all along. He reclassified and was young when he came to UT.

Just because someone is on the bench doesn't mean he is any better. Sure, maybe Walker could have gotten a few minutes here and there. But, he was hurt and out of shape early in the year. Coaches play the players that they trust, and Walker was never trusted.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

I'd take Pruitt over Dooley and it's not even all that close. Dooley had 5 conference wins in 3 seasons. Pruitt had 10.

I'd take Jones over Pruitt but saying he's 10x better is kind of ridiculous. Pruitt had a slightly better conference win %. Jones never laid an egg like Georgia State though and he made consistent progress his first 3 years while Pruitt took a huge step back so Jones gets a slight edge.

We've had terrible head coaches for a while. Pruitt wasn't unique or way worse than the others. They just all stunk. Before Heupel, Jones was the only one with even a decent track record as a head coach. I thought Fulmer was pretty bad by the time he got fired but if the administration wasn't serious about hiring a proven coach they never should have fired him.

Dooley started with a bad hand and so did Butch. Butch recruited his butt off and left the cupboard decently stocked when he left. Pruitt literally ran us flat into the ground starting off way better than the first two. Now he's left the largest mess of the 3 comparatively, and I'd say he maybe even finally completely killed Vols Football. It'll take a strong effort to revive this program.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Burns was redshirting all along. He reclassified and was young when he came to UT.

Just because someone is on the bench doesn't mean he is any better. Sure, maybe Walker could have gotten a few minutes here and there. But, he was hurt and out of shape early in the year. Coaches play the players that they trust, and Walker was never trusted.

Look me eye to eye and tell me Walker is not better than DREW PEMBER.

Gross

Edit: And your first sentence is just factually incorrect, to my knowledge. That's breaking news if true that a bball player reclassified just to not play and then transfer out.

 

[VolGee4]

If you simply board up the doghouse and never revisit the tenant? I don’t see the motivation angle.

Obviously can't speak in specifics. But whose to say that Barnes didn't give him chances multiple times? If his players care about improvement and work hard, then Barnes cares. Barnes won't spend the time with players who don't want it for themselves. This was all apparent with Grant and Admiral. They put in the effort and so did the coaches.

 

[VolGee4]

Look me eye to eye and tell me Walker is not better than DREW PEMBER.

Gross

No thanks. Pember didn't play much to matter for anything. Big whopping 29 minutes logged all year.

 

[butchna]

Obviously can't speak in specifics. But whose to say that Barnes didn't give him chances multiple times? If his players care about improvement and work hard, then Barnes cares. Barnes won't spend the time with players who don't want it for themselves. This was all apparent with Grant and Admiral. They put in the effort and so did the coaches.

Absent all available information I can see your point. Mine is that were his DOGHOUSES so closed shut earlier in his career? Or has his approach hardened with age along with his arteries. I don’t know either way, but I question his methodology on this one.

 

[VolGee4]

Absent all available information I can see your point. Mine is that were his DOGHOUSES so closed shut earlier in his career? Or has his approach hardened with age along with his arteries. I don’t know either way, but I question his methodology on this one.

Yep. It's ok to question it, but as you say, we don't have enough information. It's why guys like Devonte Gaines are given more chances because effort is not his problem. He just didn't have the skill right now to contribute at the high P5 level.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

No thanks. Pember didn't play much to matter for anything. Big whopping 29 minutes logged all year.

If I'm wrong on Pember I'm wrong. The important thing is that we've had some players that could have helped us win a championship, and Barnes just flat refuses to play them. Glad he saved the eligibility for Winthrop and _________.

 

[VolGee4]

Look me eye to eye and tell me Walker is not better than DREW PEMBER.

Gross

Edit: And your first sentence is just factually incorrect, to my knowledge. That's breaking news if true that a bball player reclassified just to not play and then transfer out.

Then you don't follow the team enough. Don't call me out on the facts. Well-known that Burns was redshirting. See for yourself.

Tennessee basketball: D.J. Burns happy with redshirt decision (knoxnews.com)

 

[VolGee4]

If I'm wrong on Pember I'm wrong. The important thing is that we've had some players that could have helped us win a championship, and Barnes just flat refuses to play them. Glad he saved the eligibility for Winthrop and _________.

You are......wrong.

 

[Batman1948]

EJ Anosike in the portal

Next year's team is gonna have a very different look----both players and coaches. That should make it pretty hard to finish near the top of the SEC.

 

[Catbone]

No thanks. Pember didn't play much to matter for anything. Big whopping 29 minutes logged all year.

...but you don't even try Walker. At all.

 

[Batman1948]

Neids stuff started coming out before or right at the start of the season so this makes sense.

The one thing I don't understand is the incident at the strip club. The way I heard it was one of our players had Neids credit card and after a pretty hard night of partying, got drunk and left the card at the club. Someone at the club, allegedly, returned it to the UT athletic department to ensure their payment and then the sh^t hit the fan. Problem with that story is that the player, in question, is still a prominent member of the team and is expecting to play a lot this year.

 

[headhunter15]

Butch crashed and burned, but in my lifetime, the only time we have been nationally relevant was under Butch. Without 2015 and 2016, current recruits would have never seen us be relevant. By all accounts, he wasn't fit for the job and he failed spectacularly at the end, but without 2015-2016, recruits nor myself would have never seen Tennessee win a nationally meaningful game. I dislike the guy, but he was much better than Dooley and Pruitt imo.

Had such high hopes for 2016. Injuries and Butch derailed that season.

 

[VolGee4]

...but you don't even try Walker. At all.

and you know why....

 

[rjd970]

Just curious, how old are you?

Early 40’s

 

[Batman1948]

Would like to know what really happened on this one.

I don't think Barnes liked his work ethic and once you get in his dog house, it's pretty much over for you. Old school coaching. The year was free for everyone and if Barnes wanted to get him some experience, he had plenty of time to do it. I doubt Barnes is gonna lose any sleep over this departure.

 

[Nashvegas31]

You're giving me hope....quit it.

lll wait to season to have any hope. I take any success or failures we have in practice etc with caution considering defense basically has no inside linebackers.

I have no win expectations for next yr right now because I’m clueless to what to expect from a group of unproven yet talented players. I just want to score a lot of points and be in some good competitive games next yr instead of in a drunken depression two drives into the game.