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drvenner said:
There is no evidence because there has yet to be any significant development time. You're using this to run down our current QB room when we all know that Baily, Maurer and Shrout have had no development and not much significant game experience. It is not even close to apples to apples.
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That is my point, though. We do not have a QB from Pruitt's time that was developed properly and thus they have not put up good numbers. I never said that CJH won't develop them. I just said that right now Gabriel is better than anything we have. Will that be the case in October of this year? Who knows.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
One thing I've seen people talk about regarding this offense is you need a QB who is not afraid to sling the ball around and not afraid to make mistakes.

The #1 attribute is decisiveness - and I think that's why we see Maurer getting first-team reps.
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Seems the coaches they had before tried to coach decisiveness out of them. Will take time to adjust to the different expectations.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Dillon Gabriel has NEVER won a game against a top 40 defense. He is 0-5 and his Passer rating in those games is 112.10. He is 16-2 against defenses with an average ranking of 83. I'm not sure he could ride in here and fare all that well against most of our SEC opponents all by himself. jmo.
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I'm going to change JMO to JCO...just means more
 
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Devo182 said:
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Correlation of -.2 aka they got worse.
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For what it's worth QBR isn't the end all be all. In that game 9 when the QBR was 160.3 the starting QB tossed for 181 yards 1 TD and 1 INT in a game they lost by 29, but he was over 80% on completions as Georgia spent the bulk of the game in prevent.

In Game 5 when the QBR 149.8 it was against LSU in a game they were down 31-10 at half and lost 52-24. Hill had 234 yards 1 TD and 1 INT and threw for 54.5% during that game.

In short, objectively taking into account all measurables the best game was Game 1 for Collin Hill, 290 yards which was his highest total of the season, completion % of 64.1 (2nd highest of the season) and his 2nd highest completion total in a game at 25. He also had 2 TDs (1 passing & 1 rushing) with just 1 INT
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Unpopular take...

We’ve rarely heard anything positive from HB in practices under two staffs and his play was very average in my opinion.

He’s not the Jedi you are looking for, but I’ll eat all the crow if he is, because we really need him to be
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Agree here. With QBs... they usually show up right away. Not with stats but just the it. Didn’t trigger much optimism from what I saw. I’ll dine with you though.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Unpopular take...

We’ve rarely heard anything positive from HB in practices under two staffs and his play was very average in my opinion.

He’s not the Jedi you are looking for, but I’ll eat all the crow if he is, because we really need him to be
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these damn freshmen QB's not being world-beaters, I tell ya!
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Unpopular take...

We’ve rarely heard anything positive from HB in practices under two staffs and his play was very average in my opinion.

He’s not the Jedi you are looking for, but I’ll eat all the crow if he is, because we really need him to be
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How does a guy that smooth all the way through HS...even we he had **** lines in front of him all of a sudden forget how to play..

I hope Pruitt/Covid hasn't ruined him forever, but I just refuse to believe he can't throw a ball or see the field anymore. I watched this kids games against sick competition and this is crazy..His GA HS numbers are up there with Watson and Trevor Lawrence..I mean I just don't get it other than we are just cursed with pure bad luck.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
How does a guy that smooth all the way through HS...even we he had **** lines in front of him all of a sudden forget how to play..

I hope Pruitt/Covid hasn't ruined him forever, but I just refuse to believe he can't throw a ball or see the field anymore. I watched this kids games against sick competition and this is crazy..His GA HS numbers are up there with Watson and Trevor Lawrence..I mean I just don't get it other than we are just cursed with pure bad luck.
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see the post above yours.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Agree here. With QBs... they usually show up right away. Not with stats but just the it. Didn’t trigger much optimism from what I saw. I’ll dine with you though.
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HB didn't even get any significant game time until the season was already a bust. OL had 4 guys on it that had already mentally moved on (Smith, Morris, Kennedy, Johnson). The main RB(Gray) didn't even get to play the final game due to the investigation and the other RB(Chandler) had probably already made up his mind to leave. Hard to judge on the quality of his snaps when half the team around him had already packed it in. Most of the coaches were probably more invested in finding a different employer at that point as well.

The plan for the passing game the last season was non-existent. Once Jennings left the offense went back to crap hand the ball off on 1st and 2nd down the try for a 3rd and 10 pass.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Unpopular take...

We’ve rarely heard anything positive from HB in practices under two staffs and his play was very average in my opinion.

He’s not the Jedi you are looking for, but I’ll eat all the crow if he is, because we really need him to be
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To counter this;
It’s been widely reported that Pruitt played favorites and the players and people around the program knew it.
So even had someone shown their promise, he was sticking with his guys no matter what.
I would honestly discard any pre-conceived player judgement Bc of how incompetent our coach was
 
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I think HB will be fine, personally and selfishly I'd love for Hooker to win the job and HB and Salter both redshirt.

Let Hooker ball out for a season and hopefully get drafted with Maurer as his backup. Open competition going into Heupel's 2nd season with 2 stud QBs given a full year + to learn his new system. If Maurer can win out then that's fine, but I'll be surprised if he sticks around if not named the starter this season.
 
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ConwayFitty said:
HB didn't even get any significant game time until the season was already a bust. OL had 4 guys on it that had already mentally moved on (Smith, Morris, Kennedy, Johnson). The main RB(Gray) didn't even get to play the final game due to the investigation and the other RB(Chandler) had probably already made up his mind to leave. Hard to judge on the quality of his snaps when half the team around him had already packed it in. Most of the coaches were probably more invested in finding a different employer at that point as well.

The plan for the passing game the last season was non-existent. Once Jennings left the offense went back to crap hand the ball off on 1st and 2nd down the try for a 3rd and 10 pass.
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All true as well.
 
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