Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[butchna]

BS. Stop trying to lower the standards for decent behavior.

Can’t...as long as you stand on that wall.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Can’t...as long as you stand on that wall.
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I unashamedly stand by my comments.

 

[The Dog]

Actually it was UNLV in the 90-91 season. Finished 34-1 after losing to Duke in the NC game. You are right about the year before. UNLV was 35-5 winning the NC in the 89-90 season.

No, Duke beat UNLV in the semifinals, then beat Kansas in the NC Game. Like dude said, Indiana St. and Bird were the last team to make the NC Game undefeated

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Coaches impacting the lives of student athletes –

In 1971 I was in my last year of middle school. In those days middle school was grades 7-9. I had been at this small private school all 3 years and I played both football and basketball. Basketball was my passion. I played year round. I worked long hours on dribbling and shooting. In the winter my neighbor across the street, a year behind me, and I would often be bundled up playing one-on-one on the lighted pavement in the back of my house in sub-freezing temperatures at night.

One Saturday morning we had this game scheduled with McCallie. I think it may have been a scrimmage. We had formed the 2 lines and were going through our pregame layups and all the while checking out the other team. They were BIG big. We weren’t.

I made a comment that basically said we’re about to get killed or something like that. Apparently my coach overheard my comment and he came over and got in my face and told me if that was going to be my attitude I could just go on back to the locker room.

I was embarrassed to no end but I don’t think I was the only one affected by coach’s admonishment. We ended up playing a hell of a game that morning, even in defeat. We all probably left the gym that day feeling about 2 foot taller than we had been when we’d first got there.

That one moment, choosing between faith and doubt, inspired the entire course of my life. My professional career was lined with landmarks where I and my team took on jobs and projects others said couldn’t be done, and we did them. We weren’t anything special. We just didn’t start out quitting before the game even got started.

There are countless stories I could tell, and older people such as myself tend to tell a lot of stories, but in the interest of staying within my normal length post, I’ll only tell one.

When I was 25 years old and fresh out of the Navy where I had been trained as an engineer, I took on a project as a trouble shooter for a small power plant while I was waiting for a big job out West. The plant had only been in operation for 2 years but it looked like it had been running for 20 years. One of the first things we did was shut down the plant for a quick outage so we could fix many of the material issues. We were going to do this over the course of a weekend. We divided up into two 12 hours shifts and would work around the clock. I had the night shift.

I came in to take over my shift on Saturday night and one of the jobs the day shift had been trying to fix was a valve on the top of one of the boilers. It had been leaking steam since the start and it needed to be welded to stop the leak. The maintenance manager who was a very smart highly educated guy with a lot of experience in design and O&M told me during turnover that it was impossible to get at the valve to do the welding due to the congested nature of the location.

I just nodded like I understood but secretly I was already plotting how we were going to do this. After the shift change was over and the plant was ours I went and found my lead welder. The guy was a hippie. I mean literally a hippie but I knew he was an artist at welding. I told him I had a tough job for him and drug him up to the top of that boiler and explained what we needed to get done. He said, no problem, probably take me a couple hours.

The next morning during shift change neither the plant manager nor the maintenance manage would take my word that we had fixed that valve on the night shift – so I had to take them up to the top of the boiler to show them.

I think by and large most of the fans of Tennessee football go into every game hoping we’ll find a way to win, regardless of the challenges. There are some that give us no chance at all, especially because of the challenges. I think it’s possible we might be better off as a fanbase and a program if those fans would just go on back to the locker room. jmo.

 

[Catbone]

Zags will take the lead with 8 minutes and retain it. 81-76 Zags will be the final score.

 

[Catbone]

You are very good about being very wrong.

I will NOT win the lottery today

 

[UpstateVol613]

I like this take.

 

[OptimusPrimerib]

5 1/2- 1/2- 5

Ha! Schrodinger’s defense

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

So, is the transfer market picking up after spring practices?

 

[Jackcrevol]

So, is the transfer market picking up after spring practices?

which sport? We got bball, football, and Catbone goin' on upinhurr.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Dad in ICU is even more reason he should show some maturity. He’s a man now. He needs to act like one.

I liked both posts. Because both viewpoints are true. He shoulda manned up, but being in the wrong place at the wrong time and making the wrong choice when with other teenagers is the more common occurrence.

Who amongst us didn’t screw up in the teenage years or college years. I know that if there was social media back then that many of us would be branded and not where we are today.

I hope that they all are allowed to learn from this event. Pay their penance and move on.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

He's literally not. He's a kid. He's living away from home right now. He has all the stresses of college life in a new state along with the added stress of his dad's health crisis. It's a mistake, not a pattern. He deserves some slack. Hopefully, he learns from this incident and matures going forward.

I wonder if the opposing views are from parents versus no kids...

I know that if he were my son that he would be doing daily penance already to show the University that he wants another chance. (My wife is the embodiment of tough Love )

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

BS. Stop trying to lower the standards for decent behavior.

When I was at UT in the 80s, this would not have even made the back page of The Daily Beacon.

It’s all SJWs and social media that blows everything way out of proportion to the actual events.

Oh, and Get Off My Lawn you rotten kids!

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Coaches impacting the lives of student athletes –

In 1971 I was in my last year of middle school. In those days middle school was grades 7-9. I had been at this small private school all 3 years and I played both football and basketball. Basketball was my passion. I played year round. I worked long hours on dribbling and shooting. In the winter my neighbor across the street, a year behind me, and I would often be bundled up playing one-on-one on the lighted pavement in the back of my house in sub-freezing temperatures at night.

One Saturday morning we had this game scheduled with McCallie. I think it may have been a scrimmage. We had formed the 2 lines and were going through our pregame layups and all the while checking out the other team. They were BIG big. We weren’t.

I made a comment that basically said we’re about to get killed or something like that. Apparently my coach overheard my comment and he came over and got in my face and told me if that was going to be my attitude I could just go on back to the locker room.

I was embarrassed to no end but I don’t think I was the only one affected by coach’s admonishment. We ended up playing a hell of a game that morning, even in defeat. We all probably left the gym that day feeling about 2 foot taller than we had been when we’d first got there.

That one moment, choosing between faith and doubt, inspired the entire course of my life. My professional career was lined with landmarks where I and my team took on jobs and projects others said couldn’t be done, and we did them. We weren’t anything special. We just didn’t start out quitting before the game even got started.

There are countless stories I could tell, and older people such as myself tend to tell a lot of stories, but in the interest of staying within my normal length post, I’ll only tell one.

When I was 25 years old and fresh out of the Navy where I had been trained as an engineer, I took on a project as a trouble shooter for a small power plant while I was waiting for a big job out West. The plant had only been in operation for 2 years but it looked like it had been running for 20 years. One of the first things we did was shut down the plant for a quick outage so we could fix many of the material issues. We were going to do this over the course of a weekend. We divided up into two 12 hours shifts and would work around the clock. I had the night shift.

I came in to take over my shift on Saturday night and one of the jobs the day shift had been trying to fix was a valve on the top of one of the boilers. It had been leaking steam since the start and it needed to be welded to stop the leak. The maintenance manager who was a very smart highly educated guy with a lot of experience in design and O&M told me during turnover that it was impossible to get at the valve to do the welding due to the congested nature of the location.

I just nodded like I understood but secretly I was already plotting how we were going to do this. After the shift change was over and the plant was ours I went and found my lead welder. The guy was a hippie. I mean literally a hippie but I knew he was an artist at welding. I told him I had a tough job for him and drug him up to the top of that boiler and explained what we needed to get done. He said, no problem, probably take me a couple hours.

The next morning during shift change neither the plant manager nor the maintenance manage would take my word that we had fixed that valve on the night shift – so I had to take them up to the top of the boiler to show them.

I think by and large most of the fans of Tennessee football go into every game hoping we’ll find a way to win, regardless of the challenges. There are some that give us no chance at all, especially because of the challenges. I think it’s possible we might be better off as a fanbase and a program if those fans would just go on back to the locker room. jmo.

Greatness begins with people who think that they are nothing special but have the drive to succeed regardless of the obstacles in their way.

 

[VolGee4]

I think UNLV blew out Duke the year before and finished undefeated and National Champions. That’s why Dukes defeat of them the next year was shocking.

Edit: Had to look it up. UNLV finished 35-5 and beat Duke by 30 in 1990 championship.

The next year(91) UNLV was 34-0 and lost to Duke in the NC game. Finished 34-1.

The last team to win the NC and go undefeated was Indiana in the 75-76 season.

Duke beat UNLV in the Final Four in 1991. They put up the graphic last night, and only two teams had been undefeated and lost in the final game. Indiana State was the last one in 1979.

 

[Vols4us]

Once again proving that making 3's with good play underneath with lay ups and dunks is the way to go on O - Baylor. Impressive. Zags' stamina took a hit from the UCLA game, but Baylor clearly was the best team in CBB. Baylor hit 3's - Zags didn't and were not tough enough in the lane. You need strong, fresh legs to hit 3's consistently well. Baylor was all over the court 100% of the time.

The Voltellos are playing in the spirit of the applicable Neyland's Maxims. Now we need the football and basketball teams to do likewise. Which is also in the spirit of CTV's post. Never give up and outwork your opponent. You can find solutions if you rethink things and work hard. Like him, I could tell old man stories of that truth (maxim). Roll over and take it, or, buck up and get to work on fixing things type decisions. The later are the character builders that lead to winning.

CJH has the opportunity to rebuild that Volunteer method of play in football. Barnes needs to reincorporate that back into the program - the last couple of seasons have lost some of it. When they fell behind at times there were moments of "oh well" floundering. Inconsistent application. It's a 24/7 thing in all that you do.

 

[LA Vol]

Because Volnation does cool VN things sometimes. Would be cool to help this kid. @Atlanta VOL @LA Vol @HankHill @MetalVolunteer @matts42012

I sent an email-- the team's already on it. They're putting together a package and will try to get him on campus-- maybe for the O&W game, depending on COVID. If not, then in the fall. UT usually does a good job on stuff like this.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I sent an email-- the team's already on it. They're putting together a package and will try to get him on campus-- maybe for the O&W game, depending on COVID. If not, then in the fall. UT usually does a good job on stuff like this.

Thats awesome to hear, thanks.

 

[LA Vol]

Thats awesome to hear, thanks.

It was already in motion. It's great that UT and the players get involved with kids. A lot of it's behind the scenes, but some of our players are active in the community and local schools without any press for their good work. We hear more about the Aaron Beasleys than the Harrison Baileys.

 

[drvenner]

Word of advice, don't listen to Atl. He's proven himself unreliable, numerous times now.

Word of advice. Let it go.

 

[UTMVol76]

On Salter: he's a kid, he made a mistake, and he will need to learn from it to grow as a man. That said, a key component of growing up is humility and accountability. If in fact, he's pandering for birthday love then I would see that as not being very self-aware of his situation and that is a problem. He needs to be hat in hand and his job is to EARN his spot back and more than that the trust of his coaches and teammates.

 

[UTMVol76]

It was already in motion. It's great that UT and the players get involved with kids. A lot of it's behind the scenes, but some of our players are active in the community and local schools without any press for their good work. We hear more about the Aaron Beasleys than the Harrison Baileys.

Another reason I hate Knoxville media. They are in the tear down business.

 

[Catbone]

Another reason I hate Knoxville media. They are in the tear down business.

So so so true man.

 

[LA Vol]

I actually thought we would have a quiet spring too with this new staff. Boy was I wrong. There's too many quitters (Tootoo and Couch) babies and trouble makers (Salter) psychopaths (Beasley) and some dude (probably Flowers) that shot his own damn teammate last year still on the team.

I think Heupel knows he's in deep shi*. From what @LA Vol says, I also believe he will recruit high character low ranked guys like Barnes started out with and coach them up. Do it "the right way". We'll see how that works out...

We'll take all the high character, highly ranked kids we can get. If the coaches can portal in some plug-and-play guys, they will.

It wasn't Flowers-- but it has been an eventful spring.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Dad in ICU is even more reason he should show some maturity. He’s a man now. He needs to act like one.

Or he feels lost... no need to judge someone who is going through a lot. Some people need positive influence and others around to help make good decisions.