Roster Construction

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1985Vols said:
@bleedingTNorange did you read this? Proves my point Barnes is a Lazy recruiter
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I just want him to stop taking projects. Don't want him to "mold" kids into the image he has for them. Instead, take the player for what he is and decide the best way to use him. Don't grab "athletes" who can play defense and try to teach them to shoot. Get shooters and find a way to get them to play defense your way. Defense is effort. Shooting is skill. We are "skill" challenged.

Yeah, I know someone will pop with numbers for Vescovi and Bailey but good lord, could they be any more hot and cold...and more cold than hot? Really hope Vescovi moving off the point will transform him into the white Chris Lofton, but I have my doubts. Same for seeing Plavsic turn into a post presence/rim defender or an offensive threat. Flip the rosters and get some basketball players in here instead of projects that take 3 years to "develop".
 
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CAVPUT said:
I just want him to stop taking projects. Don't want him to "mold" kids into the image he has for them. Instead, take the player for what he is and decide the best way to use him. Don't grab "athletes" who can play defense and try to teach them to shoot. Get shooters and find a way to get them to play defense your way. Defense is effort. Shooting is skill. We are "skill" challenged.

Yeah, I know someone will pop with numbers for Vescovi and Bailey but good lord, could they be any more hot and cold...and more cold than hot? Really hope Vescovi moving off the point will transform him into the white Chris Lofton, but I have my doubts. Same for seeing Plavsic turn into a post presence/rim defender or an offensive threat. Flip the rosters and get some basketball players in here instead of projects that take 3 years to "develop".
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I have no issues with taking some projects, but don’t need to have 5-6 on a roster, look around CBB and you’ll see guys sitting out or guys or playing at the end of the bench. I am in total agreement with you about shooters, if Barnes wants to continue to run largely the same system then we need better shooting from the perimeter, 33% this year and 31% the year before isn’t going to work...the 2 years prior to that we were 37% and 38% from 3...that’s where we need to be. As you mentioned I’m hopefully Vescovi and Bailey both are more consistent moving off the ball full time, I also hope that we add a guard transfer who’s a 38%+ shooter from deep, and potentially a 4 man that can knock them down 35%+.
 
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cbrown said:
I think what’s most puzzling about this team is the way the roster was constructed. There was no real point guard, no legit post player, and no real 3-pt shooters. It’s like the team was recruited solely to play defense. I’m all for emphasizing defense, but if that’s the only focus, that’ll get you to .500 or a little better, which is about what we were in-conference this year. When you consider those numerous shortcomings, how good was this team ever going to be?

A buddy of mine went to Texas and he said a criticism of Barnes (aside from his tournament record) was that he sold out in pursuit of 5-stars towards the end of his tenure. It’s a bit of a catch-22. You’re not going to say no to elite talents, but the best teams seem to have a fair amount of 3-4 year players that have been together for awhile.
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As you point out, it may be the emphasis on the players he recruits. On the other hand it may be a lack of ability to attract top notch point guards and bigs. Case in point we have a big or two just barely able to run in the right direction. Not able to play the position, just bigs... The staff may have thought the could make a point guard out of some of the fair shooting guards they brought in, by for some reason, maybe the mind set of the player or the inability of the staff, we just don't have all the ingredients of a good team.
 
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When you have low percentage shooters from 3 . Its mandatory to have size and strength inside ( which we never had ) for rebounds and putbacks .. looks like unless they find somebody in portal we will deficient in that area again .
 
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Dudleys87 said:
If you’ve got the eligibility and your not a T10 pick I don’t see why you wouldn’t.
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If they have or are graduating, why the hell would they hang around? That is if they have no chance to make "the league"? To me it would be time to MOVE ON WITH LIFE. Fulkey is a prime example, an injury just for the pleasure of playing the game could have life long bad effects. Thank goodness his does not seem to be too bad, but as a mature adult, it's time to look at the future.
 
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savannahfan said:
If they have or are graduating, why the hell would they hang around? That is if they have no chance to make "the league"? To me it would be time to MOVE ON WITH LIFE. Fulkey is a prime example, an injury just for the pleasure of playing the game could have life long bad effects. Thank goodness his does not seem to be too bad, but as a mature adult, it's time to look at the future.
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I love it when one person tells another person what he should do.
 
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patrick said:
Well Barnes earned the right not to go on the road recruiting per one of his assistants (D Oliver).

“The good thing about being a veteran head coach,” Oliver said, “and I think every veteran head coach goes through this, is they’ve earned the right to not have to go out (recruiting) like second-year head coaches do and oversell their program and beg kids to come.

Assistant coach responds to UT basketball's recruiting critics
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In other words "rest on their laurels".. BS!! That means they are just doing about half their job. When they get to this point of their approach to their job, then it's time to retire.
 
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savannahfan said:
In other words "rest on their laurels".. BS!! That means they are just doing about half their job. When they get to this point of their approach to their job, then it's time to retire.
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Hard decision to make when you’re cruising along and making $5M a year
 
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patrick said:
Well Barnes earned the right not to go on the road recruiting per one of his assistants (D Oliver).

“The good thing about being a veteran head coach,” Oliver said, “and I think every veteran head coach goes through this, is they’ve earned the right to not have to go out (recruiting) like second-year head coaches do and oversell their program and beg kids to come.

Assistant coach responds to UT basketball's recruiting critics
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That you, big ziti??
 
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cardvolfan said:
I love it when one person tells another person what he should do.
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I did not tell anyone what to do. Just pointed out a view from a lifetime of watching people (myself included) making choices that impact their lives one way or the other.
 
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cbrown said:
Decent percentages, but Bailey is way too inconsistent and Vescovi can’t shoot it if anyone is anywhere near him. Good 3-pt shooters are a threat to hit one with a guy in their face.
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Both are Capable of shooting 40%. Vescovi when he moves to the two will have a lot more open looks. the big issue is having guards that can come of a down screen around curl in for open 10 footer or take to the basket. Vescovi and Bailey are not suited for this. That is how schofield, Bowden and Bone scored a lot of their points. I really thought Keon and Springer were perfect for that but never materialized.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
PG-Chandler
BIG MAN-BHH
SHOOTER-?
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I know people talk sh*t about SV but I honestly think he’ll be more productive if he’s moved to the wing.

He’s not a natural PG but having Kennedy Chandler takes the pressure off of him trying to make something happen.

He can shoot more than we give him credit for.
 
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patrick said:
Well Barnes earned the right not to go on the road recruiting per one of his assistants (D Oliver).

“The good thing about being a veteran head coach,” Oliver said, “and I think every veteran head coach goes through this, is they’ve earned the right to not have to go out (recruiting) like second-year head coaches do and oversell their program and beg kids to come.

Assistant coach responds to UT basketball's recruiting critics
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Context is not your friend; read the entire quote then maybe take a few seconds to possibly think about the point being made.

Then go look at other veteran coaches and find out if they go out the first visit and “beg” kids to go to their school. You keep stopping at the middle of the quote and seemingly ignoring the entire conversation so you can have your talking point.
 
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Special Ed said:
Roster construction has not been Rick's strong suit lately. Hard to figure how he failed so miserably at boosting our post-player positions.
There's essentially nothing on the bench to back up Fulkerson so, when he goes down, it's a mortal blow to the team.
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I agree, this roster is in major need of an overhaul. We got a lot of guys on the bench that can't play. We need major post players behind/with Fulkerson. Hes better off the bench anyways. Barnes has his work cut out for him, he's got 2 or 3 pieces in Bailey, James, and Fulk other than that, we need major upgrades. No way SV, Uros, Pember, Gains should be major contributors, and if they are this team is in trouble.
Hes got no post, point or killers on this roster. Bamas team is full of killers, look at them, guarantee most are high as a kite before tip, then again at halftime. They can kill you shooting
 
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I agree with OP, the roster was just not setup right.

SEC in general tends to do this, they get a lot of forwards that can drive but cannot make outside shots and are not big enough to dominate in the paint. Tennessee did this a lot even under Bruce Pearl. You need players that can hit 3s and big centers to win today. Can we go get a 6'11" 200 lbs. threat for the center as well as another Chris Lofton? If we had those two player types, this team would have been rolling.
 
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Barnes spoke of an inside game post failure with Oregon State, so far we've got the 6'1" point guard we need, the 6'5" swing we need, still need to get the man in the middle
 
#47
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savannahfan said:
I did not tell anyone what to do. Just pointed out a view from a lifetime of watching people (myself included) making choices that impact their lives one way or the other.
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Ummm, I think most would disagree and that you did. Luckily, he will decide based on his own reasons and some wise counsel.
 
#49
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savannahfan said:
If they have or are graduating, why the hell would they hang around? That is if they have no chance to make "the league"? To me it would be time to MOVE ON WITH LIFE. Fulkey is a prime example, an injury just for the pleasure of playing the game could have life long bad effects. Thank goodness his does not seem to be too bad, but as a mature adult, it's time to look at the future.
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Maybe because it may be the last time he plays basketball in a competitive setting. Very few people get to play D1 college basketball much less at a P5 school and even less so at the school you wanted to be at, and he's in his 20s with a lot of life left. If he's gifted the chance to run it back one more time, then he may want to go for it. Plus I'm pretty sure there's at least a part of him that doesn't like he didn't get to play in those final 2 games and wonder what if.

If he comes back and injuries are still a problem, then he can do like Turner and say he just can't do it anymore but at least he gave it a shot. I can certainly see if he is ready to move on but I can just as easily see him wanting to accept the gift of getting one more shot that in normal circumstances he wouldn't get.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I know people talk sh*t about SV but I honestly think he’ll be more productive if he’s moved to the wing.

He’s not a natural PG but having Kennedy Chandler takes the pressure off of him trying to make something happen.

He can shoot more than we give him credit for.
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I’m definitely optimistic about that being the case
 
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