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jackcrevol said:
yes, but not on that level.

basketball and football players are usually very good athletes. Mahomes is a freak.

not saying baseball players aren't. by and large to me there is a difference. i also think basketball and football are more popular. (didnt check)

I understand why Serena is worth 7-800 million. That sport and what it commands from mental and physical aspect, and shes ar top of her game. I dont see it with baseball, not that kind of money.
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( not one of the top players in baseball yet) throws a 97 MPH pitch that moves up to 17 inches..... the hand/eye coordination baseball players have is unreal.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Gray was also within 25 yards of being the team’s 2nd leading receiver and he missed a game.

Terrible, terrible pass blocking that needed to improve. But by far one of the best playmakers on the team.
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Is that really saying much though? Our QB play was horrendous and Gray was always the check down so he got the ball a lot....
 
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MarcoVol said:
Gray was also within 25 yards of being the team’s 2nd leading receiver and he missed a game.

Terrible, terrible pass blocking that needed to improve. But by far one of the best playmakers on the team.
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Believe that is more of an indictment on the QB/other receivers than support of EG. When you have to check down on every passing play of course the RB will pass the other receivers. They never got the ball.
 
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rjd970 said:
Even if all this is true it isn’t like the conference cares. The front office is infested with Bammers in Birmingham and Bama is the NCAA cash cow.
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This, the whole damn mess is so corrupt, short of someone being murdered, nothing will happen. Propst is probably telling the truth and does know where a lot of bodies are buried, but if he's going to start "talking" about it, the machine will just discredit, embarass and "run him out of town" moreso than he's already done through his own actions...
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Is that really saying much though? Our QB play was horrendous and Gray was always the check down so he got the ball a lot....
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True but played behind a terribly disappointing OL and many of those check downs were fastballs fired at him from close distances and didn’t hit him in stride. Imagine the damage he could’ve done.
 
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jackcrevol said:
Baseball is fun if it's College. It was also fun to play.

I saw someone inked a $330 million per year deal? That's $2,037,037 per game. Dude could literally, play one game this year, flip twinsies and roll off interest for rest of his life.!

That is, without a doubt, the stupidest thing i've ever heard of? Not for him, from Baseball to allow that...To swing a bat. And for that reason, I'm out.
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I think your talking about Bryce Harper's contract he signed with the Phillies, and it's not a per year contract it's over the span of 13 yrs. Still outrageous stupid money to play baseball!

Bryce Harper's $330 Million MLB Contract Has Set Him Up to Fail - Sportscasting | Pure Sports
 
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MarcoVol said:
True but played behind a terribly disappointing OL and many of those check downs were fastballs fired at him from close distances and didn’t hit him in stride. Imagine the damage he could’ve done.
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I’m not saying Gray wasn’t a good player. He just needed to do some things to make himself a complete RB.

He wasn’t a complete back. He didn’t like stepping up and thumping those guys blitzing he didn’t have a knack for that kind of contact.

A lot of times Gray tackled himself running the ball and a lot of times he allowed himself to be tripped up by a pinky finger.

If Tiyon Evans does what he did in JUCO in the SEC which I believe he will because he dwarfs EG in size and is faster. We will forget about EG really quickly.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Yup, as I always say, if you first notice the knife in your kidney, it ain’t a gunfight.

The Karambit is a wicked fun blade to play with. (Not for a kidney strike, it’s a slashing blade)
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Have you ever seen videos of Doug Marcaida use a karambit?
There was also a vid of him vs a CCW holder as to how effective knives were vs gun carriers. Pretty interesting!
 
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Revived2002 said:
NBA is bad but I gotta be honest - college football is losing its luster under the current system. It’s arguably the most predictable sport out there. You can predict with reasonable accuracy which teams will make the playoffs just by looking at recent recruiting rankings. The playoff system may be creating a self reenforcing loop for the teams that have consistently made it. 90% of programs have zero hope of ever sniffing a title - and frankly that % may be higher. Many games end in lopsided blowouts because of the severe talent disparities.

I enjoy college football enough to join an online forum to talk about it. But I think it’s a lot less interesting than it used to be, quite honestly.

I’m probably in a minority here...
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MarcoVol said:
True but played behind a terribly disappointing OL and many of those check downs were fastballs fired at him from close distances and didn’t hit him in stride. Imagine the damage he could’ve done.
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Without a doubt he was one of the better offensive playmakers on last year's team that only got 3 wins and lost 7 games by double digits.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Tim Banks

I’m beginning to think Banks may work out pretty well as our DC. I only have data from the last year he was at CMU as the DC but he had the #1 scoring defense in the MAC conference that year. I saw an interview from his time at Cincinnati (I looked at interviews from all of his stops) and while we was co-dc there, he said (when asked) he was the play-caller. Jancek was the other co-dc. They were young when he first got there and were weak upfront but that improved in his second and final year there. They went from allowing 28 ppg in year one to allowing 20.3 ppg in that second year.

The data from his 4-year stint as the DC at Illinois is less impressive but in his last year there he had the scoring defense down to 23.3 ppg. The first three years were not pretty. However, to offer a bit of perspective, his last year there, 2015, before heading to Penn State, 247 ranked the Illinois roster talent below Vanderbilt. Vandy was at #44, Illinois was at #60. That was the first year 247 started ranking roster talent. I don’t think there’s any reason to think Illinois had any better talent in the first 3 years Banks was on the job. So basically what you have to work with at Illinois in that time frame was a roster whose talent was either last or next to last in the Big 10 conference every year and that’s the way it’s been for I guess the last couple of decades at least.

My previous concern was that while he had the title of co-defensive coordinator at Penn State I think he was given that title and the accompanying money largely to acquire his acumen coaching safeties but probably more importantly, recruiting. I’ve seen him described as Penn State’s best recruiter. So my issue was that he wasn’t the play-caller. BUT, when he was the play-caller, at CMU, he had the #1 defense in the conference in scoring, #2 rushing defense, #9 out of 13 pass defenses, #4 total defense, and #2 redzone defense and at his other stints where he was the play-caller the defenses improved.

Rankings don’t always tell the whole story for example this past year Alabama had the 17th best run defense in the nation but their pass defense was at #70, yet they didn’t appear to have any problem winning the conference and national championships. Their scoring defense was 13th best and their total defense was 32nd best. What the opponents on your schedule from year to year favor most, whether run or pass, has a lot to do with your run/pass defensive rankings so I always figure scoring defense is the bottom line.

My real point in this post is to clear up an impression I had about Banks from early on, that he didn’t have play calling experience. That’s not the case at all and in fact he has actually had some, relatively speaking, decent success when he did have play-calling responsibilities. I think like with anyone else we might have hired as our DC it’s probably going to come down to what talent the guy has to work with. There shouldn’t be a lot of doubt that the guy is surrounded by a pretty hefty staff on that side of the ball. I think the talent on the line should be the strength of the defense. The secondary, maybe a bit thin on depth, should be decent, and so it may just come down to figuring out our linebacking situation and Jean-Mary may just be the guy to get that done for Banks. jmo.

Final point. Banks in an interview on the Nation expressed enthusiasm for the opportunity to work with Heupel because, get this, he said he knew with Heupel the offense was going to score a lot of points. I actually believe he is dead serious about that because while he eventually developed a fairly respectable defense at Illinois the team didn’t have an offense to speak of so naturally they didn’t win many games. The defense was holding teams to an average of 23.3 ppg but the offense could only muster 22.7 ppg. That’s not a winning formula. To have a winning team we need a 10-20 point scoring margin between the units, the bigger the margin, the likelier the more wins. I think between Heupel and Banks we’re starting off with the potential to get that formula right for a change. jmo.
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Good analysis IMO. To really understand analytically takes digging. Love your posts.

IMO Banks said that because he knows the game has changed. Different era of football. It is evolving with changes in rules, safety requirements, and talent. Keep the opponents under 30 if possible and score all you can. It's about point differential. There are two elite programs who do it older school (but not old) in the SEC - UGA and aTm. They have more ball control, clock management built into their systems. We could never get to that point any time soon IMO because theirs is fueled by strong roster talent year after year. We have to work too hard at recruiting for that to happen consistently. So going with CJH was just a stroke of genius and good fortune IMO. We can now try to scheme our way to success while the roster is built. I didn't see it well at the time, but do now.

I don't get people not understanding that competent coaches can improve over time. Learning and adapting should never stop at any age. When it does, you are done. Banks has been deeply involved in strong D's at PSU. Even Martinez has learned many things since his time at UT and UGA that can help Banks. Add in the other coaches and you get a D coaching room that has seen a lot of football. That probably will make their game plans/situational call sheet much more viable.

The same goes for the roster. Player profiles change for recruiting. With CJH there will be some different type players recruited. So if you are a fan of a guy on the current roster or recruiting trail, don't get upset if he doesn't fit or do as well in this system because it has all changed. Which is why guys going to the portal does not bother me at all. It's going to take awhile to get the roster profile CJH wants and when guys leave who don't fit physically and/or mentally it opens spots for those who do. I am willing to accept the mediocre seasons early on (if they happen) to gain the good stuff later. This is a 180 degree change in philosophy and some position groups.
 
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ConwayFitty said:
Without a doubt he was one of the better offensive playmakers on last year's team that only got 3 wins and lost 7 games by double digits.
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Lol this is true.

But I wouldn’t put last years performance all on the players. Even when we replaced the QB our offense still sucked. Our defense was bad all year too.

My whole point is Gray is good. I’ve never understood the criticism of him being a guy that goes down too easy. He wasn’t a power back but I didn’t see it. It’s like people are expecting Jamal Lewis out there.

He was elusive and electric with the ball in his hands and his play making will be missed. But at the same time I don’t have much worry for offense with Heup in charge.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Tim Banks

I’m beginning to think Banks may work out pretty well as our DC. I only have data from the last year he was at CMU as the DC but he had the #1 scoring defense in the MAC conference that year. I saw an interview from his time at Cincinnati (I looked at interviews from all of his stops) and while we was co-dc there, he said (when asked) he was the play-caller. Jancek was the other co-dc. They were young when he first got there and were weak upfront but that improved in his second and final year there. They went from allowing 28 ppg in year one to allowing 20.3 ppg in that second year.

The data from his 4-year stint as the DC at Illinois is less impressive but in his last year there he had the scoring defense down to 23.3 ppg. The first three years were not pretty. However, to offer a bit of perspective, his last year there, 2015, before heading to Penn State, 247 ranked the Illinois roster talent below Vanderbilt. Vandy was at #44, Illinois was at #60. That was the first year 247 started ranking roster talent. I don’t think there’s any reason to think Illinois had any better talent in the first 3 years Banks was on the job. So basically what you have to work with at Illinois in that time frame was a roster whose talent was either last or next to last in the Big 10 conference every year and that’s the way it’s been for I guess the last couple of decades at least.

My previous concern was that while he had the title of co-defensive coordinator at Penn State I think he was given that title and the accompanying money largely to acquire his acumen coaching safeties but probably more importantly, recruiting. I’ve seen him described as Penn State’s best recruiter. So my issue was that he wasn’t the play-caller. BUT, when he was the play-caller, at CMU, he had the #1 defense in the conference in scoring, #2 rushing defense, #9 out of 13 pass defenses, #4 total defense, and #2 redzone defense and at his other stints where he was the play-caller the defenses improved.

Rankings don’t always tell the whole story for example this past year Alabama had the 17th best run defense in the nation but their pass defense was at #70, yet they didn’t appear to have any problem winning the conference and national championships. Their scoring defense was 13th best and their total defense was 32nd best. What the opponents on your schedule from year to year favor most, whether run or pass, has a lot to do with your run/pass defensive rankings so I always figure scoring defense is the bottom line.

My real point in this post is to clear up an impression I had about Banks from early on, that he didn’t have play calling experience. That’s not the case at all and in fact he has actually had some, relatively speaking, decent success when he did have play-calling responsibilities. I think like with anyone else we might have hired as our DC it’s probably going to come down to what talent the guy has to work with. There shouldn’t be a lot of doubt that the guy is surrounded by a pretty hefty staff on that side of the ball. I think the talent on the line should be the strength of the defense. The secondary, maybe a bit thin on depth, should be decent, and so it may just come down to figuring out our linebacking situation and Jean-Mary may just be the guy to get that done for Banks. jmo.

Final point. Banks in an interview on the Nation expressed enthusiasm for the opportunity to work with Heupel because, get this, he said he knew with Heupel the offense was going to score a lot of points. I actually believe he is dead serious about that because while he eventually developed a fairly respectable defense at Illinois the team didn’t have an offense to speak of so naturally they didn’t win many games. The defense was holding teams to an average of 23.3 ppg but the offense could only muster 22.7 ppg. That’s not a winning formula. To have a winning team we need a 10-20 point scoring margin between the units, the bigger the margin, the likelier the more wins. I think between Heupel and Banks we’re starting off with the potential to get that formula right for a change. jmo.
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I perked right up when you mentioned Bama had 70th ranked pass defense. I'm sure Coach Heupel will have similarly been intrigued by that ranking.
 
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I think if Gray had stayed we would be very excited to see what he could do in this offense. He has shown flashes of the game-breaking ability we all wanted him to. I think since he left, everyone is doing the usual, we didn't want him anyway stuff. His pass-blocking was bad, but so was our OL. I think he would feast in this offense. We still have talent in the RB room and I think Heupel will maximize it.
 
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