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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I can see us going between 10th and 15th in recruiting. It’s early. Once there is actually a product for kids to see, that alone will change some minds.

It’s hard to recruit this early with no product to show kids but what you did at other places. I think our recruiting will see some significant changes in early October. (If our offense does what I think it will do)
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Not sure what they could show on the defensive side but there is plenty of film of Heupel's offense. I think it more about the coaches establishing relationships as many of them were not even in the SEC last year. It will take a few months for things to get rolling.
 
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Glitch said:
Not sure what they could show on the defensive side but there is plenty of film of Heupel's offense. I think it more about the coaches establishing relationships as many of them were not even in the SEC last year. It will take a few months for things to get rolling.
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All it takes is a win against someone we shouldn’t beat Amirite!
 
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Weezer said:
Worldwide I think you would be correct, but nationally, I'm not sure you are. I'm not an expert on the sex industry, but following politics, I've read more than one article about sex workers fighting for legality and respect. A lot of their arguments center around how they face the morality judgements of others. Ultimately, how is it any different from gay or lesbian rights, or the civil rights of any group? I just don't think the issue is as black and white as many would like it to be. I don't have to agree with their decisions to respect their rights to decide what they do. It all comes back to the argument, what happens between two consenting adults is between two consenting adults. Who am I, or you, or anyone to impose our morality upon others? And for those that choose such a path, regulation would offer all kinds of protection, and would fix a lot of the inherent harms of the industry.

I'm not encouraging anyone to support the sex industry or to want their children to enter into it, but those who choose to engage in that world still deserve basic human respect, whether you agree with what they do or not.
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Times they are a changing, huh?

Article in the Washington Post from 1992

'DEFINING DEVIANCY DOWN'

When our correcting mechanisms are overloaded, what was once deviant becomes acceptable. I remember telling my children a few years ago (it was an unusually peaceful time around the house) that they should try to keep Dad's fussing in perspective. "All parents have a certain amount of fussing in them," I said.

"It doesn't matter whether the fussing is about gang fights and drug abuse or only unmade beds and minor curfew violation; we've all got our fussing quotient. I'm just glad that I've been able to expend my quotient on relatively minor stuff."

I thought it was just my awkward way of expressing gratitude for three pretty decent children. Now I find I was committing sociology.

I've just seen a paper of Daniel Patrick Moynihan's (The American Scholar, Winter 1993) in which the New York senator explores the notion that communities have a certain amount of punishment (fussing) to mete out for deviant behavior. We keep the level of punishment more or less constant by redefining deviancy.

The basic notion comes from Emile Durkheim (1895), with an elaboration by Kai T. Erikson, whose 1965 examination of crime in the Massachusetts Bay Colony was designed to test Durkheim's theory. Listen to Erikson: "To start at the beginning, it is a simple logistic fact that the number of deviancies which come to a community's attention are limited by the kinds of equipment it uses to detect and handle them. ... A community's capacity for handling deviance, let us say, can be roughly estimated by counting its prison cells and hospital beds, its policemen and psychiatrists, its courts and clinics."

Durkheim's interesting theory is that there can be no such thing as a "crime free" community (he suggests it may even be dangerous to reduce deviancy too much) but only communities that redefine "crime" to accommodate their means for dealing with it. Judging only from the amount of deviancy they punish, there's no difference between a halfway house and a monastery.

If the redefinition of deviancy only involved "criminalizing" such things as inattention at prayer, the refusal of itinerant Quakers to doff their hats in the presence of magistrates or my children's forgetting to let me know where they are on a Saturday night, Moynihan might dismiss the whole idea as quaint.

But he makes a point that Durkheim seems to have neglected: that redefinition works in the other direction as well. Behavior that once was deviant and punishable (whether by law or social sanction) can, when our correcting mechanisms are overloaded, be redefined as acceptable.

The clearest example intimately associated with the senator is our national attitude toward unwed parenthood. When Moynihan (then an assistant secretary of labor in the Johnson administration) wrote his controversial study predicting family breakdown among black Americans would lead to social disaster, about a fifth of black babies were born out of wedlock. The rate for whites: 1 in 40.

Today, nearly 27 years later, one-fifth of white babies are born to unmarried mothers, while the rate for blacks has reached two-thirds. But much of the talk today is about the irrelevancy of "Ozzie and Harriett" models and the ascendancy of "alternative lifestyles," as though the thing lamented by Moynihan is in fact a healthy smorgasbord of new "choices."

There are other examples of "defining deviancy down," as Moynihan puts it, including the "deinstitutionalization" of mental patients, lowered expectations for school performance and the growing acceptance of criminal violence. Reminder: The 1929 St. Valentine's Day Massacre," which merits two entries in the World Book Encyclopedia, consisted of seven gangsters being killed by four rival gunmen. Comparable violence, which might occur any weekend in Washington or Los Angeles, has been redefined as very nearly normal.

The redefinition is not benign. There is unimpeachable evidence that family structure (and not just public attitudes regarding family structure) matters enormously to the well-being of children. The homelessness of the deinstitutionalized (or never institutionalized) mentally ill is a rebuke to the society. Violence, no longer linked primarily to the drug trade, has changed our cities for the worse.

I know: We worry in public and appoint commissions to examine homelessness, school failure and gunplay. We campaign for stiffer sentences (including execution) and occasionally build more jail cells. But, like Moynihan, I doubt that we are as serious as we ought to be about what is happening to us. Our predisposition is still to redefine the problem down to manageable proportions, to normalize what once alarmed us.

"We are," as Pat Moynihan put it, "getting used to a lot of behavior that is not good for us."
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Weezer said:
First, what is this fascination with my testicles?

Second, you'd be wrong about young girls and boys be "groomed" on some wholesale level throughout the state of Nevada to work the brothels. Not happening.

Third, who said anyone had daydreams about entering that profession? All I said is that people that choose to be in that profession deserve basic human respect, whether you agree with their lifestyle choice or not.

There's nothing ridiculous about showing people decency, kindness, and respect, even when, actually especially when, their lifestyle choices differ from your own. It's easy to be kind to people who think like yourself. It's much harder to give that same respect to those that don't.
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they vet those folks pretty hard. read that some of the Vegas escorts make six to seven figures.

/knowledge base
 
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Glitch said:
Ok. Prostitution is legal in Nevada and I would bet your left testicle that young girls and boys are groomed for sex trade jobs throughout Nevada. The fact that they now do it willingly does not negate the fact that there is not an overabundance of young people daydreaming in their study hall class about the day they can have sex with some sleezy guy in the back of his 1993 Toyota Terrell for $50. Your argument is ridiculous.
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It’s a difficult situation bc it is happening whether it’s legal or not.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I’m ok with that expectation. Just show something on the field and things will improve moving forward.
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Just wanna state before someone bashes me that, I’m not being negative anyway towards this. I think we have coaches that will develop these kids and I know we have heard that before as well but I’m hopeful.
 
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Our fans make a big deal about recruits that grew up fans of the program, and praise Kiffin. Here's a 4* Tennessee kid who had interest from lots of programs, including Ole miss, who didn't waiver on his commitment here through all of the turmoil. Grew up a UT fan and said he was going to UT from the beginning. Still running catch drills with one good hand.



Could hopefully be a great dependable guy in this offense.

His scouting report from Barton Simmons (before he went to Vandy, but had a lot of exposure to this kid as they were both in the Nashville-area) says he doesn't have electric speed, but is a good blocker that runs good routes. If he works on his route running and hands, and keeps the blocking, I could see him being a great contributor lining up in the slot for 2-3 years in this offense.
 
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Glitch said:
Ok. Prostitution is legal in Nevada and I would bet your left testicle that young girls and boys are groomed for sex trade jobs throughout Nevada. The fact that they now do it willingly does not negate the fact that there is not an overabundance of young people daydreaming in their study hall class about the day they can have sex with some sleezy guy in the back of his 1993 Toyota Terrell for $50. Your argument is ridiculous.
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Catbone moves to edge of his gaming chair.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Our fans make a big deal about recruits that grew up fans of the program, and praise Kiffin. Here's a 4* Tennessee kid who had interest from lots of programs, including Ole miss, who didn't waiver on his commitment here through all of the turmoil. Grew up a UT fan and said he was going to UT from the beginning. Still running catch drills with one good hand.



Could hopefully be a great dependable guy in this offense.

His scouting report from Barton Simmons (before he went to Vandy, but had a lot of exposure to this kid as they were both in the Nashville-area) says he doesn't have electric speed, but is a good blocker that runs good routes. If he works on his route running and hands, and keeps the blocking, I could see him being a great contributor lining up in the slot for 2-3 years in this offense.
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Players kn the team right now have said he is the best route runner already and he has been here only 3 months. Let that sink in. And he has some Hands. We been missing that the most imo. Someone that can grab the ball even if it is not directly into his chest.
 
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T Dog said:
Players kn the team right now have said he is the best route runner already and he has been here only 3 months. Let that sink in. And he has some Hands. We been missing that the most imo. Someone that can grab the ball even if it is not directly into his chest.
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Hope we take advantage of his time here. Sure to be a fan fav
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Our fans make a big deal about recruits that grew up fans of the program, and praise Kiffin. Here's a 4* Tennessee kid who had interest from lots of programs, including Ole miss, who didn't waiver on his commitment here through all of the turmoil. Grew up a UT fan and said he was going to UT from the beginning. Still running catch drills with one good hand.



Could hopefully be a great dependable guy in this offense.

His scouting report from Barton Simmons (before he went to Vandy, but had a lot of exposure to this kid as they were both in the Nashville-area) says he doesn't have electric speed, but is a good blocker that runs good routes. If he works on his route running and hands, and keeps the blocking, I could see him being a great contributor lining up in the slot for 2-3 years in this offense.
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Is he saying the hand he broke previously is good now? That’s what I am reading
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Our fans make a big deal about recruits that grew up fans of the program, and praise Kiffin. Here's a 4* Tennessee kid who had interest from lots of programs, including Ole miss, who didn't waiver on his commitment here through all of the turmoil. Grew up a UT fan and said he was going to UT from the beginning. Still running catch drills with one good hand.



Could hopefully be a great dependable guy in this offense.

His scouting report from Barton Simmons (before he went to Vandy, but had a lot of exposure to this kid as they were both in the Nashville-area) says he doesn't have electric speed, but is a good blocker that runs good routes. If he works on his route running and hands, and keeps the blocking, I could see him being a great contributor lining up in the slot for 2-3 years in this offense.
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Barton Simmons: “OK... white WR. Where’s that template... oh yes... CTL+C, CTL+V.”
 
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Anyone else surprised we're a 5.5 pt fav and 70/30 favorite according to ESPN?

Not that UF has been great recently either (3-3 last 6 games), but still.
 
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