Rick Barnes discussion [merged]

#951
#951
Thunder Good-Oil said:
4.3 or 4.8? I can’t remember.

That had to be a huge mistake by somebody. I can’t imagine using Fulk and Pons on the inbounds play to get the ball across mid court for a quick TO. Perhaps Barnes was upset with Pons for inbounding it to Fulk instead of a guard already sprinting down court. That play and TN getting a shot clock violation late define the recent execution failures.
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At what point do repeated "execution failures" become a reflection of the coaching?
 
#953
#953
Thunder Good-Oil said:
So he didn’t say what you are claiming he said.
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I can’t find the exact quote but im sure it was Turner who said Barnes told the players that at their first meeting after the UCLA job fell thru. NTL, the facts remain that Barnes would have left if UCLA had paid his buyout. Even you should be able to understand that.
 
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brockytop said:
Leonard Hamilton just signed contract extension with FSU for LESS THAN HALF what Rick Barnes makes annually coaching TN. Hamilton made an Elite Eight in 2017-2018 while Barnes last reached that rung of the tourney ladder during 2007-2008 season. Hilarious.
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Hilarious is that some fans are dumb enough to want Hamilton over Barnes
 
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zjcvols said:


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Lol....I like Barnes and I'm not trying to be insulting but the whole "I prayed to God for an answer and got it" on stuff like this is so incredibly silly to me; unless he was being coy about it. I mean "They didn't pay my buyout so I knew I wasn't supposed to be there".....well no sh** Rick. Google didn't offer me a job so I take that as a sign I'm not supposed to be there either :)
 
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#960
Oh I get it....this is where people argue that someone didn't speficially say something exactly and therefore the person is wrong.
 
#961
#961
Whether or not Barnes said that from his own mouth, college athletics are mostly strict business from a coach’s standpoint.

There’s been numerous coaches that’s expressed interest in other jobs to get raises from their current employers.

Yeah, it might be considered “wrong” but they’re just taking advantage of the system.
 
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wmcovol said:
I can’t find the exact quote but im sure it was Turner who said Barnes told the players that at their first meeting after the UCLA job fell thru. NTL, the facts remain that Barnes would have left if UCLA had paid his buyout. Even you should be able to understand that.
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So what you said is a lie. Barnes never said “the only reason I’m here”. Plus you completely leave out the context. He said how much he admired UCLA and that Coach Wooden touched his life. Apparently you aren’t able to understand.
 
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Vols8086 said:
You can draw up a good play, and get at 1 (mayeb 2) dribbles off in 2 seconds from a sideline out of bounds play that results in a good look.

The biggest issue with all that transpired there was we called a TO between the FTs to discuss what to do. I assume it was get the ball into the halfcourt quickly and call another TO. To have Pons and Fulky being the guys back there is inexcusable, especially after it would have seemingly been discussed 30 seconds prior. That's middle school level embarrassing in terms of execution.
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The first TO was called by Auburn according to what the TV announcers described. As measured as Barnes is when using his I can’t imagine him using 2 TOs inside of 5 seconds and if Pons decided to use a 2nd he needed an ass chewing. Big time.
 
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LSG410EC83 said:
I guess there must have not been enough time to mention "5 million dollars" in his post. Never have seen so much hate for a man.
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Seriously? Because I am critical of the job Rick Barnes is doing as a BB coach, you think I “ hate” him? You must be a real snowflake if you think criticism about a persons job performance = hate. I actually like CRB as a person, I just do not think the job he has done here warrants a $5M a year salary. No hate at all.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The first TO was called by Auburn according to what the TV announcers described. As measured as Barnes is when using his I can’t imagine him using 2 TOs inside of 5 seconds and if Pons decided to use a 2nd he needed an ass chewing. Big time.
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Even if Auburn called it, does that somehow excuse the poor execution? Is UT not allowed to discuss their own strategy if they don't personally call the time out? I'm not sure why that matters which team called the timeout, unless you are insinuating Barnes and co weren't prepared since they didn't call the timeout. That's an even worse look if that is your stance.

The execution was horrible out of a timeout regardless of who called it. It was flat out embarrassing and something I expect out of a middle school basketball game, not an SEC game.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Hilarious is that some fans are dumb enough to want Hamilton over Barnes
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Hilarious some people have reading comprehension issues. I didn’t say a word about wanting Hamilton over Barnes, but I do find it interesting that even with the extension Hamilton is set to make less than half of what Barnes does at UT.

Oh, and one of these two coaches has made two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight while the other had made one Sweet Sixteen appearance over the last decade. Um. Wonder which is which?🤔
 
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VolGee4 said:
Hamilton has coached almost the exact same number of years as Barnes and been to 10 NCAAT’s. Barnes has been to 24. It took Hamilton 7 years to make the tournament at FSU. Took him 9 years to win a NCAAT game. He probably would have been fired at UT within the first 6 years with those records.
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And none of that has anything to do with where the two programs stand today and how one coach makes less than half of other.
 
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1985Vols said:
Seriously? Because I am critical of the job Rick Barnes is doing as a BB coach, you think I “ hate” him? You must be a real snowflake if you think criticism about a persons job performance = hate. I actually like CRB as a person, I just do not think the job he has done here warrants a $5M a year salary. No hate at all.
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As soon as you come to grips with the fact that coaches are paid a market value and not a price to production ratio value, the sooner you’ll stop worrying about his salary.

How many current NCAA coaches are “earning” their salary? Less than 1-2%, I’d imagine. You wouldn’t be any more satisfied with Rick Barnes if he was being paid the $2 million he was hired on, the $3.5 million he got with his first raise, or the $5 million he currently makes. The money is irrelevant to his performance. Almost every coach is overpaid. It is what it is.

I couldn’t stand Jeremy Pruitt. Thought he was an awful head coach. Never once did I complain about his salary or that he was overpaid. It doesn’t matter. He sucked and it didn’t matter how much we were paying him because the price tag doesn’t affect the results. You’re either pleased with the performance, or you aren’t.
 
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brockytop said:
Hilarious some people have reading comprehension issues. I didn’t say a word about wanting Hamilton over Barnes, but I do find it interesting that even with the extension Hamilton is set to make less than half of what Barnes does at UT.

Oh, and one of these two coaches has made two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight while the other had made one Sweet Sixteen appearance over the last decade. Um. Wonder which is which?🤔
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It’s pointless to complain about coaches salaries when we have no control of it.

Yeah, there’s coaches out there that I think are overpaid and some that are underpaid. However, there’s not a damn thing I can do about it.

The administration gave Barnes a raise to keep him from taking another job. I understand why they did it from a business standpoint. You don’t have to like it but it is what it is.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
No one is calling Tallahassee trying to hire a 72-year-old FSU lifer, though. Tennessee had to overpay in an effort to retain Barnes, coming off arguably the greatest season in school history, and avoid a late start to a coaching search.
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If TN does anything well it’s overpaying coaches. Pearl is the only guy in recent history I can think of that might’ve been underpaid.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Saying he’s ONLY at UT because UCLA didn’t pay a buyout is a complete fabrication. Words matter and so does the context.
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Like I said, we're down to arguing that he didn't say something specfically the way the other person said he said it. He did say if UCLA pays his buyout then he's likely the coach at UCLA. To most people that would mean the difference in him being here and not being here is money.

I'm not even saying there is anything wrong with that; it's a business.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Even if Auburn called it, does that somehow excuse the poor execution? Is UT not allowed to discuss their own strategy if they don't personally call the time out? I'm not sure why that matters which team called the timeout, unless you are insinuating Barnes and co weren't prepared since they didn't call the timeout. That's an even worse look if that is your stance.

The execution was horrible out of a timeout regardless of who called it. It was flat out embarrassing and something I expect out of a middle school basketball game, not an SEC game.
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Getting the ball into the front court and calling a quick time out to set up an inbounds play from there is a common strategy with a possible higher probability for converting. With a true point guard, going coast-to-coast looking for a foul is a common strategy.
 
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#974
cncchris33 said:
As soon as you come to grips with the fact that coaches are paid a market value and not a price to production ratio value, the sooner you’ll stop worrying about his salary.

How many current NCAA coaches are “earning” their salary? Less than 1-2%, I’d imagine. You wouldn’t be any more satisfied with Rick Barnes if he was being paid the $2 million he was hired on, the $3.5 million he got with his first raise, or the $5 million he currently makes. The money is irrelevant to his performance. Almost every coach is overpaid. It is what it is.

I couldn’t stand Jeremy Pruitt. Thought he was an awful head coach. Never once did I complain about his salary or that he was overpaid. It doesn’t matter. He sucked and it didn’t matter how much we were paying him because the price tag doesn’t affect the results. You’re either pleased with the performance, or you aren’t.
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It's not even coaches, most of the free market is like that. How man pro athletes are overpaid? Most of them. Either they meet expectations or they don't. And if they are underpaid the next contract talks they'll get paid.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Like I said, we're down to arguing that he didn't say something specfically the way the other person said he said it. He did say if UCLA pays his buyout then he's likely the coach at UCLA. To most people that would mean the difference in him being here and not being here is money.

I'm not even saying there is anything wrong with that; it's a business.
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It’s not the “ONLY reason” which is a made up narrative that sounds far worse than what Barnes actually said. Barnes didn’t even say that he would definitely be at UCLA with the different financial terms when he was asked to speculate.
 
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