Rick Barnes discussion [merged]

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1985Vols said:
Probably when comparing two coaches against each other. And I don’t think Calipari is a good coach, he’s just a great recruiter
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So any coach Barnes has a better record H2H than he’s a better coach than? Might wanna be careful before answering, you’d be surprised...
 
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SGMVols said:
People said the same thing about Tony Bennett, especially after he earned the infamous distinction of being the first coach in history to lose to a 16 seed. He’s the reigning national champion now. I reject the notion that someone can be a good coach in the regular season and a bad coach in the tournament. Good coaches are good coaches, period. There can be any number of reasons why teams go home earlier than expected in a one-and-done format. While I think March Madness is one of the most exciting times in sports, it’s honestly a terrible way to determine a champion. There’s a reason the NBA plays 7 game series in their playoffs. Because it makes it much more likely that you end up with the actual best team winning. There’s too much luck involved in basketball for a single elimination format to be an effective way of determining the best team.
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This is all so true that you almost sound ridiculous to some posters. Good stuff.
 
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SGMVols said:
People said the same thing about Tony Bennett, especially after he earned the infamous distinction of being the first coach in history to lose to a 16 seed. He’s the reigning national champion now. I reject the notion that someone can be a good coach in the regular season and a bad coach in the tournament. Good coaches are good coaches, period. There can be any number of reasons why teams go home earlier than expected in a one-and-done format. While I think March Madness is one of the most exciting times in sports, it’s honestly a terrible way to determine a champion. There’s a reason the NBA plays 7 game series in their playoffs. Because it makes it much more likely that you end up with the actual best team winning. There’s too much luck involved in basketball for a single elimination format to be an effective way of determining the best team.
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Too much truth for certain posters to process...it's far easier to praise/bash coaches based on their tourney record than actually taking the time/effort to look at their complete resume. Amazing thing to me is how some will say Calipari is not really a great coach (just a great recruiter) after going ballistic about how Pearl is clearly better than CRB...that requires olympic level mental gymnastics...lmao.
 
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Roustabout said:
Why one year? How about last year?
If I can have the final four and an SEC tournament, you bet your ass.
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Could definitely be an interesting discussion...

Bruce Pearl @ Auburn 7 years:
Overall: 136-91 (59.9%)
Conference: 57-66 (46.3%)
NCAAT Appearances: 2 (R32 & F4)
Auburn under NCAA investigation awaiting penalties


Rick Barnes @ Tennessee 6 years:
Overall: 121-70 (63.4%)
Conference: 60-45 (57.1%)
NCAAT Appearances: 3 (R32, S16, TBD)


Barnes has him except for the F4 run, which to some is obviously worth the difference...Frank Martin also had a F4 run but SC fans are pretty over him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Could definitely be an interesting discussion...

Bruce Pearl @ Auburn 7 years:
Overall: 136-91 (59.9%)
Conference: 57-66 (46.3%)
NCAAT Appearances: 2 (R32 & F4)
Auburn under NCAA investigation awaiting penalties


Rick Barnes @ Tennessee 6 years:
Overall: 121-70 (63.4%)
Conference: 60-45 (57.1%)
NCAAT Appearances: 3 (R32, S16, TBD)


Barnes has him except for the F4 run, which to some is obviously worth the difference...Frank Martin also had a F4 run but SC fans are pretty over him.
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I often wonder how differently Pearl would be perceived as a coach today had that kid from New Mexico State that Auburn fouled at the buzzer not missed those two free throws. He was an 80% shooter and only needed to make one to send Auburn home in the first round.
 
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SGMVols said:
I often wonder how differently Pearl would be perceived as a coach today had that kid from New Mexico State that Auburn fouled at the buzzer not missed those two free throws. He was an 80% shooter and only needed to make one to send Auburn home in the first round.
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That’s my issue (in a nutshell) with putting so much stock into tourney success rather than regular season, or overriding regular season. Obviously if you’ve made multiple E8 and F4 trips it’s not a coincidence, but a guy like Frank Martin made the F4...according to quite a few on this board that makes him better than Barnes, would we really want his last 7 years in comparison to Barnes?

My thought is if you make the NCAAT pretty much every year even if you aren’t the best postseason coach you’ll catch a break every now and again and make a deep run...I like that better than going dancing 2/7 years and 1/7 years making a run, and as you said that’s not even a given, it requires some luck.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That’s my issue (in a nutshell) with putting so much stock into tourney success rather than regular season, or overriding regular season. Obviously if you’ve made multiple E8 and F4 trips it’s not a coincidence, but a guy like Frank Martin made the F4...according to quite a few on this board that makes him better than Barnes, would we really want his last 7 years in comparison to Barnes?

My thought is if you make the NCAAT pretty much every year even if you aren’t the best postseason coach you’ll catch a break every now and again and make a deep run...I like that better than going dancing 2/7 years and 1/7 years making a run, and as you said that’s not even a given, it requires some luck.
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If you polled South Carolina fans asking if they would trade Martin for Barnes if they had the chance, I bet 90% would say yes. They are mentally checked out on him. They believe the F4 run was nothing but a fluke.
 
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SGMVols said:
If you polled South Carolina fans asking if they would trade Martin for Barnes if they had the chance, I bet 90% would say yes. They are mentally checked out on him. They believe the F4 run was nothing but a fluke.
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I bet it would be closer to 99%
 
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Maybe I've missed something since there are only about 15 threads these past couple weeks about Barnes' value, but I don't recall
many people saying Barnes should be fired or he's not as good as someone else.

Many are posting that Barnes is not achieving what he is paid to achieve.

My position is that we keep Barnes, best coach we've had in a while, but I don't think he should be one of the top 3-5 paid coaches in the country.
His achievements do not merit top 5 pay. That is all I am saying.
 
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orangemadam said:
Maybe I've missed something since there are only about 15 threads these past couple weeks about Barnes' value, but I don't recall
many people saying Barnes should be fired or he's not as good as someone else.

Many are posting that Barnes is not achieving what he is paid to achieve.

My position is that we keep Barnes, best coach we've had in a while, but I don't think he should be one of the top 3-5 paid coaches in the country.
His achievements do not merit top 5 pay. That is all I am saying.
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I’m sure Barnes would be cool with it if Danny White told him we were cutting his pay in half. He definitely wouldn’t go looking for another job or anything like that.
 
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orangemadam said:
Maybe I've missed something since there are only about 15 threads these past couple weeks about Barnes' value, but I don't recall
many people saying Barnes should be fired or he's not as good as someone else.

Many are posting that Barnes is not achieving what he is paid to achieve.

My position is that we keep Barnes, best coach we've had in a while, but I don't think he should be one of the top 3-5 paid coaches in the country.
His achievements do not merit top 5 pay. That is all I am saying.
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So you’re not saying he should be fired but his pay should be reduced so he’ll go coach somewhere else?
 
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SGMVols said:
I’m sure Barnes would be cool with it if Danny White told him we were cutting his pay in half. He definitely wouldn’t go looking for another job or anything like that.
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Newsflash. Barnes can be replaced and the results could be the same. The replacement coach may not get the same players that are flashy, but the results would not vary.
 
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