Proof of the election fraud

[luthervol]

So polling, where you can determine the outcome based on a number of factors, is more accurate than the actual vote count in Counties that have historically predicted the outcome of the Presidential Election for any decades?

You don't have to be special to understand that simple concept, but you do have to be honest.

Yes polling is more accurate.

Where Did All The Bellwether Counties Go?
The Trump era made us rethink a lot about politics and elections in America, including the counties that are useful barometers of the national political environment. And like so many electoral trends, demographics play a major role in explaining why these once-bellwether counties finally missed the mark in 2020.
These former bellwether counties are much whiter and less college-educated than the country as a whole. For instance, Washington County, Maine — the median bellwether county in terms of its share that’s non-Hispanic white — is 89 percent non-Hispanic white, which is much higher than the overall U.S. population that identifies as such (60 percent). It is also not as educated: Just 22 percent of adults 25 or older have a bachelor’s degree or higher, which is substantially lower than the 32 percent who have a college degree nationwide.

 

[SlingBlayde]

The polls were accurate all the way till the end in 2016. You do realize that the final Clinton Trump poll was so close it was within th margin of error? The Biden Trump poll was pretty spot on as well. It's a twitter myth that the polls were predicting a Clinton blowout all the way till the end.

Again, what 'predictor' are you using that is without fail?

Yes, they do that to try to help the Democratic candidate in the months/weeks heading up to elections and then change closer to time to save face.

 

[SlingBlayde]

But. The. Proof. Is. In. The. Pudding. Biden won cheated, by a lot.

It's like looking at football stats about who passes for more yards, or who is leading at the end of the 3rd quarter, and saying those teams win 95% of the time or whatever. That doesn't mean that because of the various observed historical trends that in this PARTICULAR game that the team that passed for more yards or led at the end of the 3rd quarter must have won or else it was because the refs gave the game to them.

Fixed it for you

 

[volgr]

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This is BS. SCOTUS (the court that really counts) was afraid to take any of the cases and took a cowards way out and dismissed them without even seeing the evidence. Thing is, forget the evidence. The real violation of the Constitution occurred when the state governors changed the election laws without going through the state legislatures. SCOTUS knew this and didn't want to hear any of the cases. Thank you John Roberts...

I agree with the sentiment but State Legislators approved their States electors. At the end of the day, by hook or by crook, these States made their pick for President. Now, it is incumbent upon those States to fix the issues that plagued the 2020 Election in their State. It can be done rather quickly with proper legislation and people in charge who want to fix it. Just look at Florida's election 2020 vs 2018. DeSantis cleaned that up quick.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And yet again, this phenomena wasn't seen across swing bell weather Counties that Trump won big. You guys make these claims with a confident stupidity that is quite impressive.

Presidential elections are determined by the outcomes of swing states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan... not "swing bell weather counties" which are subject to change over time. It wasn't possible for Trump to win the election without carrying at least one of those three states. The only one of those three which was decided by less than 75,000 votes was Wisconsin.

 

[volgr]

Yes polling is more accurate.

Where Did All The Bellwether Counties Go?
The Trump era made us rethink a lot about politics and elections in America, including the counties that are useful barometers of the national political environment. And like so many electoral trends, demographics play a major role in explaining why these once-bellwether counties finally missed the mark in 2020.
These former bellwether counties are much whiter and less college-educated than the country as a whole. For instance, Washington County, Maine — the median bellwether county in terms of its share that’s non-Hispanic white — is 89 percent non-Hispanic white, which is much higher than the overall U.S. population that identifies as such (60 percent). It is also not as educated: Just 22 percent of adults 25 or older have a bachelor’s degree or higher, which is substantially lower than the 32 percent who have a college degree nationwide.

Odd, considering less than 10 years ago most voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Yes, even with Obama losing millions of votes in 2012, bell weather Counties still swung and predicted his victory. I guess a lot happened in 8 years since.

 

[volgr]

Presidential elections are determined by the outcomes of swing states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan... not "swing bell weather counties" which are subject to change over time. It wasn't possible for Trump to win the election without carrying at least one of those three states. The only one of those three which was decided by less than 75,000 votes was Wisconsin.

You do understand the purpose of swing bell weather Counties, yes? You do understand they are bell weather predictors because they have predicted the outcome for decades? You understand there are a smaller subset of region specific bell weathers that also predict for that region, yes?

Because from reading your reply you don't seem to understand how this works.

 

[luthervol]

Odd, considering less than 10 years ago most voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Yes, even with Obama losing millions of votes in 2012, bell weather Counties still swung and predicted his victory. I guess a lot happened in 8 years since.

You better believe a lot happened in 8 years, but it was really about what happened in 4.
It was really about Trump....or more accurately, NOT Trump.

 

[luthervol]

You do understand the purpose of swing bell weather Counties, yes? You do understand they are bell weather predictors because they have predicted the outcome for decades? You understand there are a smaller subset of region specific bell weathers that also predict for that region, yes?

Because from reading your reply you don't seem to understand how this works.

You do understand the concept of changing demographics, yes?

 

[volgr]

But. The. Proof. Is. In. The. Pudding. Biden won, by a lot.

It's like looking at football stats about who passes for more yards, or who is leading at the end of the 3rd quarter, and saying those teams win 95% of the time or whatever. That doesn't mean that because of the various observed historical trends that in this PARTICULAR game that the team that passed for more yards or led at the end of the 3rd quarter must have won or else it was because the refs gave the game to them.

That isn't even a good attempt or analogy to back up your position. You guys are bending over backward to explain the unexplainable. You're making yourself look foolish.

 

[SlingBlayde]

I agree with the sentiment but State Legislators approved their States electors. At the end of the day, by hook or by crook, these States made their pick for President. Now, it is incumbent upon those States to fix the issues that plagued the 2020 Election in their State. It can be done rather quickly with proper legislation and people in charge who want to fix it. Just look at Florida's election 2020 vs 2018. DeSantis cleaned that up quick.

Great point. They (the legislatures) should have had some testicular fortitude and fixed it at the time. Unfortunately, they did not.

 

[volgr]

You do understand the concept of changing demographics, yes?

Trump gained more minority votes than any GOP candidate in recent history. Now, tell me about changing demographics in bell weather Counties, which also correctly predicted the 2016 election. This is tiresome.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You do understand the purpose of swing bell weather Counties, yes? You do understand they are bell weather predictors because they have predicted the outcome for decades? You understand there are a smaller subset of region specific bell weathers that also predict for that region, yes?

Because from reading your reply you don't seem to understand how this works.

That is subject to change when you aren't holding every variable in the equation constant. Voter participation is a significant variable to any election. The 2020 Presidential election saw a 16% increase in voter participation from the 2016 Presidential election. There is no question that benefited Biden.

 

[volgr]

You better believe a lot happened in 8 years, but it was really about what happened in 4.
It was really about Trump....or more accurately, NOT Trump.

Like I said above, now use those same metrics to predict the 2012 election outcome.

 

[luthervol]

Trump gained more minority votes than any GOP candidate in recent history. Now, tell me about changing demographics in bell weather Counties, which also correctly predicted the 2016 election. This is tiresome.

ok.......more from the article you obviously refuse to read.
White voters without a college degree used to vote more like the country as a whole, which helps explain why these counties maintained their bellwether status for a long time. From 1980 to 2012, for instance, these bellwether counties consistently voted within a few points of the national popular vote. They were particularly representative in 2012, when the average 1980-to-2016 bellwether county was just 0.8 points more Democratic than the nation. But that changed in 2016 when Trump made huge gains with white voters without a college degree. As such, the margins in bellwether counties became substantially more Republican even as the country only became a little more Republican, as you can see in the chart below.

Yes it is, very tiresome.

 

[evillawyer]

You do understand the purpose of swing bell weather Counties, yes? You do understand they are bell weather predictors because they have predicted the outcome for decades? You understand there are a smaller subset of region specific bell weathers that also predict for that region, yes?

Because from reading your reply you don't seem to understand how this works.

See my football analogy, which you smugly dismissed. It's 100% on point. You're looking at historical indicators and saying what had to be the case because of those historical indicators. It's a loser you're advancing.

 

[evillawyer]

That isn't even a good attempt or analogy to back up your position. You guys are bending over backward to explain the unexplainable. You're making yourself look foolish.

Explain the differences in your argument and mine.

 

[volgr]

That is subject to change when you aren't holding every variable in the equation constant. Voter participation is a significant variable to any election. The 2020 Presidential election saw a 16% increase in voter participation from the 2016 Presidential election. There is no question that benefited Biden.

But it didn't benefit him in swing Counties. You understand the point of the bell weather. We would see it there if we were to see it at all. It benefitted him in select Dem strongholds where turnout was astronomically high, again exceeding even the turnout in Countries where voting is mandatory.

Like I've said, maybe it was legitimate. This could've been the most anomalous Presidential Election in history that also just happened to coincide with States massively changing election law due to Covid and allowing mail in balloting with little to no scrutiny. I leave open that small possibility.

 

[evillawyer]

But it didn't benefit him in swing Counties. You understand the point of the bell weather. We would see it there if we were to see it at all. It benefitted him in select Dem strongholds where turnout was astronomically high, again exceeding even the turnout in Countries where voting is mandatory.

Like I've said, maybe it was legitimate. This could've been the most anomalous Presidential Election in history that also just happened to coincide with States massively changing election law due to Covid and allowing mail in balloting with little to no scrutiny. I leave open that small possibility.

If there was massive voter fraud, don't you think with all of the sleuths investigating it and all the people on the Dem side that would have had to be involved (we're supposedly so inept that we can't lace our shoes), that there would be some hard evidence of fraud at this point? Read some William of Occam my brother.

 

[BowlBrother85]

But it didn't benefit him in swing Counties. You understand the point of the bell weather. We would see it there if we were to see it at all. It benefitted him in select Dem strongholds where turnout was astronomically high, again exceeding even the turnout in Countries where voting is mandatory.

Like I've said, maybe it was legitimate. This could've been the most anomalous Presidential Election in history that also just happened to coincide with States massively changing election law due to Covid and allowing mail in balloting with little to no scrutiny. I leave open that small possibility.

Exactly! Those counties you are referring to as being "bell weather" became less significant due to the dramatic increase in voter participation in counties which traditionally vote heavily in favor of the Democratic Party candidate. Biden won the election, not because he flipped these "bell weather counties" you are talking about... but because he ran up the score in Democratic Party strongholds.

 

[volgr]

ok.......more from the article you obviously refuse to read.
White voters without a college degree used to vote more like the country as a whole, which helps explain why these counties maintained their bellwether status for a long time. From 1980 to 2012, for instance, these bellwether counties consistently voted within a few points of the national popular vote. They were particularly representative in 2012, when the average 1980-to-2016 bellwether county was just 0.8 points more Democratic than the nation. But that changed in 2016 when Trump made huge gains with white voters without a college degree. As such, the margins in bellwether counties became substantially more Republican even as the country only became a little more Republican, as you can see in the chart below.

Yes it is, very tiresome.

So he made huge gains with whites without a college degree (he actually made huge gains across the blue collar working class not just whites) and minorities...and you believe he lost? You are actually arguing against yourself.

 

[volgr]

Exactly! Those counties you are referring to as being "bell weather" became less significant due to the dramatic increase in voter participation in counties which traditionally vote heavily in favor of the Democratic Party candidate. Biden won the election, not because he flipped these "bell weather counties" you are talking about... but because he ran up the score in Democratic Party strongholds.

Yeah, you just explained the fraud.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah, you just explained the fraud.

No, I just explained how a 16% increase in voter participation made those "bell weather counties" less important.

 

[Septic]

Yes, they do that to try to help the Democratic candidate in the months/weeks heading up to elections and then change closer to time to save face.

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. Carried out across the land by numerous polling platforms all in sync to save face simultaneously, all without any outward evidence of their collusion beyond your bias.

Or, Trump was simply behind in the polls to almost the same degree he lost the election.

 

[Septic]

Yeah, good question. Most polling is fake. Calm down and hear me out. There were a few, a very small few, who called it close to correct in 2016. If you followed those in 2020, they showed a tight race and you weren't surprised when Trump was ahead on election night. Best pollster going right now is Rich Baris at People's Pundit. Go back and watch some of his stuff from Sept/October before you disagree. Also, if you want to hear more about what I discuss below, he goes in depth on all of it post election in his November podcasts.

As for the other predictors or indicators, there are many. The best example being Trump trouncing Biden in bell weather County indicators across the Country. Then you have more region specific indicators, for say the northern Mid-West that were out of alignment for Biden to win in places like WI and PA and to a smaller extent, MI. Then you have other general indicators like economic, job approval, etc. An incumbent President HAS NEVER gained that many votes and lost. You had select areas in some of these battleground States that had higher turnout than in Countries where voting is mandatory.

My statement holds and is easily backed by solid evidence. Either this was the most anomalous Presidential Election in US history or this was the most fraudulent Presidential Election in US history.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to make the loss sting a little less.

On a completed unrelated note, I'm shocked at the fragility of the Trumpian psyche, needing to invent scenarios and glom onto youtube 'proofs' in order to confirm their partisan bias.

Everyone on the planet knew that there were outstanding ballots to be counted in many of the swing states and that they'd favor the vote by mail favoring dems. What kind of imbecilic person believed that it'd be called on election night for a guy that was losing in the polls with razor thin election night counting and in swing states that hadn't yet completed the count? That Trump was ultimately dunked on by 7mm votes that it didn't jee-haw with your "indicators" doesn't factor the deep, deep rooted hate that the majority of American's felt for him.