Proof of the election fraud

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BowlBrother85 said:
If you have proof of fraud, significant enough in nature that it could have had an impact on the outcome of the election, then you are supposed to present that proof in court, rather than just on cable news talk shows. Attorneys representing the 2020 Trump Campaign never did this.

You are calling things undeniable and factual proof of fraud, which were never even argued as examples of fraudulent activity in court. Nobody who is arguing that the 2020 Presidential Election was free and fair has to explain anything. The burden of proof rests with those people who are alleging misconduct, and that burden was never met in court.
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Lets apply this argument to the 2016 election.

If you have proof of Collusion, significant enough in nature that it could have had an impact on the outcome of the election, then you are supposed to present that proof in court, rather than just on cable news talk shows. Attorneys representing the 2016 Democratic party never did this.

You are calling things undeniable and factual proof of collusion, which were never even argued as examples of fraudulent activity in court. Nobody who is arguing that the 2016 Presidential Election was free and fair has to explain anything. The burden of proof rests with those people who are alleging misconduct, and that burden was never met in court.

I hope the Republican don't drag us through the next 3 years with the same kind of crap the democrats did.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Lets apply this argument to the 2016 election.

If you have proof of Collusion, significant enough in nature that it could have had an impact on the outcome of the election, then you are supposed to present that proof in court, rather than just on cable news talk shows. Attorneys representing the 2016 Democratic party never did this.

You are calling things undeniable and factual proof of collusion, which were never even argued as examples of fraudulent activity in court. Nobody who is arguing that the 2016 Presidential Election was free and fair has to explain anything. The burden of proof rests with those people who are alleging misconduct, and that burden was never met in court.

I hope the Republican don't drag us through the next 3 years with the same kind of crap the democrats did.
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You are drawing a false equivalency. Hillary Clinton did not file law suits contesting the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. She did not argue that votes were changed in real time and she did not take measures to try and prevent Trump from being sworn in on January 20, 2017. In fact, she conceded defeat the morning after the election while giving a gracious speech which acknowledged Trump's victory.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are drawing a false equivalency. Hillary Clinton did not file law suits contesting the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. She did not argue that votes were changed in real time and she did not take measures to try and prevent Trump from being sworn in on January 20, 2017. In fact, she conceded defeat the morning after the election while giving a gracious speech which acknowledged Trump's victory.
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Virtually none of that is true or deceptive. She filed lawsuits through Jill Stein. They even started a recount in WI, I believe, where they found more votes for Trump and troubling irregularities. So it was quickly shut down. She also tried to take measures, through surrogates, to keep Trump from being sworn in (Hamilton electors, remember that?). She "conceded" while knowing the Obama Administration was going after the Trump campaign behind the scenes. Culminating in a ridiculous Special Counsel that shouldn've been ended after 2 weeks and carried on for 2 years, impacting the 2018 elections. But, muh Democracy and election interference. Yeah, yeah, you arent fooling anyone.

Clinton, to this day, claims (like Ssssstacy Abramsssss) that she won the election if not for Russia.
 
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luthervol said:
A more civil society in which to live. Hope. Optimism. Community. The belief that goodness and decency still have a place.
The acknowledgment that some things are far more important than a couple of more dollars in your pocket at the expense of others.
Pretty much every single thing beyond the most base instincts.

Base instincts: A subconscious urge, behavior, or intuition directed by primeval, animalistic, self-serving, or ignoble motivations. Greed and selfishness are unfortunately two of the base instincts ingrained in the human psyche.
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Yeah, I think the middle class was feeling a lot of hope and optimism under Trump, until he foolishly wrecked his economy over COVID.

The Left isn't decent or good. You know them by their fruits and your fruit is rotten.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are drawing a false equivalency. Hillary Clinton did not file law suits contesting the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. She did not argue that votes were changed in real time and she did not take measures to try and prevent Trump from being sworn in on January 20, 2017. In fact, she conceded defeat the morning after the election while giving a gracious speech which acknowledged Trump's victory.
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Notice that I put democratic party and not Secretary Clinton. Also, If you don't come at it from the left or right it does look very similar.
 
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volgr said:
So, civil rights cases thrown out in the South weren't legitimate? 0 for 64 doesn't mean what you think it does.
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Joe Biden currently resides on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in D.C., while Donald Trump lives in Palm Beach, Florida. In terms of the outcome of the 2020 Presidential Election... that means what we think it does. LOL.
 
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luthervol said:
A more civil society in which to live. Hope. Optimism. Community. The belief that goodness and decency still have a place.
The acknowledgment that some things are far more important than a couple of more dollars in your pocket at the expense of others.
Pretty much every single thing beyond the most base instincts.

Base instincts: A subconscious urge, behavior, or intuition directed by primeval, animalistic, self-serving, or ignoble motivations. Greed and selfishness are unfortunately two of the base instincts ingrained in the human psyche.
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So you guys pitched a fit and now that you got your way things can be civil again. Nice.

Trump’s message was actually centered around hope and optimism. Biden was saying everything was doom and gloom while Trump was being optimistic and Dems went nuts over that so I’m not buying your hope and optimism BS. The rest of your post is even dumber than the stuff I called out and not worth addressing.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are drawing a false equivalency. Hillary Clinton did not file law suits contesting the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election. She did not argue that votes were changed in real time and she did not take measures to try and prevent Trump from being sworn in on January 20, 2017. In fact, she conceded defeat the morning after the election while giving a gracious speech which acknowledged Trump's victory.
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The next poster (post 428) combats your typical lies. You also missed where electorates were challenged, knowing that the legal process for challenging the electorates wasn’t being followed. I forget the wording you used for Trump, Hawley, and others but I didn’t forget that you predictably didn’t apply it consistently.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
So you guys pitched a fit and now that you got your way things can be civil again. Nice.

Trump’s message was actually centered around hope and optimism. Biden was saying everything was doom and gloom while Trump was being optimistic and Dems went nuts over that so I’m not buying your hope and optimism BS. The rest of your post is even dumber than the stuff I called out and not worth addressing.
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Yes, the civil society they want is to label everyone who disagrees with them a Nazi. These people are as delusional as they are dumb.
 
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volgr said:
Virtually none of that is true or deceptive. She filed lawsuits through Jill Stein. They even started a recount in WI, I believe, where they found more votes for Trump and troubling irregularities. So it was quickly shut down. She also tried to take measures, through surrogates, to keep Trump from being sworn in (Hamilton electors, remember that?). She "conceded" while knowing the Obama Administration was going after the Trump campaign behind the scenes. Culminating in a ridiculous Special Counsel that shouldn've been ended after 2 weeks and carried on for 2 years, impacting the 2018 elections. But, muh Democracy and election interference. Yeah, yeah, you arent fooling anyone.

Clinton, to this day, claims (like Ssssstacy Abramsssss) that she won the election if not for Russia.
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You are a nut.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The next poster (post 428) combats your typical lies. You also missed where electorates were challenged, knowing that the legal process for challenging the electorates wasn’t being followed. I forget the wording you used for Trump, Hawley, and others but I didn’t forget that you predictably didn’t apply it consistently.
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That didn't have anything to do with Hillary Clinton, who did concede defeat the day after the 2016 election, even though she had lost by the same margin as Trump did 4 years later in the electoral college.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
By all means explain. Did Trump specifically tell anyone to break the law? If not then conversation over.
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He and his not so sharp son encouraged those people to come because it was going to be wild. They fired them up with baseless conspiracy theories for weeks had them congregate and fired them up some more and told them to march on the capitol to show the lawmakers and Pence how pissed they were. So, yeah I think he has some accountability. He absolutely knew what was going to happen and he reveled in it. It was a traitorous act and he's a POS.

I still think the impeachment was an unnecessary sideshow with no chance of success.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He and his not so sharp son encouraged those people to come because it was going to be wild. They fired them up with baseless conspiracy theories for weeks had them congregate and fired them up some more and told them to march on the capitol to show the lawmakers and Pence how pissed they were. So, yeah I think he has some accountability. He absolutely knew what was going to happen and he reveled in it. It was a traitorous act and he's a POS.

I still think the impeachment was an unnecessary sideshow with no chance of success.
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I feel like you have been duped by a lot of fake news.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That didn't have anything to do with Hillary Clinton, who did concede defeat the day after the 2016 election, even though she had lost by the same margin as Trump did 4 years later in the electoral college.
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Ah, so you’re only concerned about what Hillary did and Trump did but don’t care about what others do?

First, you’re lying. Again. You did take exception to folks like Hawley who stood up for what they believed.

Second, the post I referenced directly combatted your claim that Hillary just conceded. As seems to always happen, Dems say one thing but do another. Hillary may have conceded but she did take action that didn’t line up with concession and is still peddling her crap about being cheated out of the election. Not surprisingly, you ignore that.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I agree w/you. Keep preaching truth because the loonies can't stand to hear it.
Truth to a Democratic loony person is like holy water is to a vampire.
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Its funny because they come here and regurgitate the non-sense they hear from mainstream propaganda and it doesnt go well for them.

The Left has never been good at having their ideas challenged, so now they've crafted an elaborate alternate reality. If youve seen Pinocchio, its a lot like Pleasure Island where they all slowly turn into jackasses.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He and his not so sharp son encouraged those people to come because it was going to be wild. They fired them up with baseless conspiracy theories for weeks had them congregate and fired them up some more and told them to march on the capitol to show the lawmakers and Pence how pissed they were. So, yeah I think he has some accountability. He absolutely knew what was going to happen and he reveled in it. It was a traitorous act and he's a POS.

I still think the impeachment was an unnecessary sideshow with no chance of success.
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In one tweet, which he later deleted, Trump came very close to condoning the riot after the fact:

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!" - Donald Trump, in a tweet sent on January 6, 2021 at 6:01 PM

In trying to be as objective as possible, I can't go as far as to say Trump incited the riot... but it wouldn't have happened without his lies. Also, Trump clearly was condoning it after the fact (see that tweet above).
 
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