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T Dog said:
And does anyone know if you have to have a passport to drive up to Alaska. If you don't have one guess you gotta fly?
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Yes.

But Canadian customs is super fun and I would definitely recommend it. It's like a rectal examination for you and your car that you don't need to pay for.

If you're lucky you'll get it going both ways.
 
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For anyone interested, SixWire is doing another show at 3rd and Lindsley in Nashville on March 20. There are a few tickets still available. They never disappoint.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yes.

But Canadian customs is super fun and I would definitely recommend it. It's like a rectal examination for you and your car that you don't need to pay for.

If you're lucky you'll get it going both ways.
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could you fly straight there without a passport
 
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Vols4us said:
Yep. Kind of tired of the, "Well, if one coach smells bad they all do" narrative.

Dools - panic hire. Totally unqualified. No debate about it. The only thing he had was a blue blood last name. Stayed one year too long.

Botch - panic hire. UT was turned down by many because of staying too long with Dools. Despite that, he had success due to great recruiting, until he didn't and tried to get out and go to UNC. HC and staff turnover and incompetency killed the goose when it ran out of golden eggs.

Cornbread - panic hire. They even had to fire the AD and bring in St. Phillip, who became an evil imposter. Panic hire of an inexperienced AD followed by panic hire of a reach as a HC. What could possibly go wrong? Everything. Continuing to use the previous guy's incompetent QB crashed what chances they had. Cornbread was then able to complete the crashing of the program on his own.

Coach Heupel - best available. New UT admin, new AD, new blood in the department, new approach. Canvassed who was available, picked the best available who happened to be in the new AD's pocket. But actively went after others who said no because Cornbread made too big of mess. Heup is a winner at every stop and as a NC winning player. Offensive genius. Brought his coaching strength with him and hired the best available for the other side of the ball, who are very experienced.

Common denominators for the past decade prior to Heup - panic hires, unproven past as HC, staff turnover, undisciplined play, micromanager at HC. Botch followed a successful Kelly - he never built a program. The micro managing point gets missed a lot. When a micromanager gets moved to a top org leadership position, their inherent tendencies take over and usually cause disasters due to stress and fear based decisioning. In football if the HC is not good at the big picture and letting his guys have fun and ball out - they lose. Just like we have since Kiffin - who overachieved with a crap roster. The assistant coaches are to be the micromanagers and develop the players into the system the HC provides. The HC is to oversee, not take over that responsibility from his staff. What did Cornbread do? Same with Botch and Dools. Berate the assistants and get mired in the position coaching.
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I agree with everything except two points:

1. Posters were overjoyed (in general) when Fulmer took over as AD because he was a sports guy, not a bean counter. He would right the UT AD... revisionist history makes him a bad choice from the beginning.

2. Kiffin lost me when he said that he was going to make UT into sc East. Putting up posters of sc great players NOT Tennessee great players. Then he left at least two wins on the field with bad coaching decisions. Played to lose close games against bama and florida (just wanted to look good, uninspired coaching schemes) especially UCLA. No answer for either ole miss or auburn. No effort to win bowl game against VT. Only times that I want to see kiffin at Tennessee is watching him deflate on the sideline as CJH’s team runs up the score on him. 😁
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
Been looking quite a bit around grand junction, and steam boat.
Just now familiarizing myself with parts of Montana, and Utah.
I would love to find land to build on and start looking at some of the things you mentioned.
Biggest thing for us is getting out there and visiting a place we would be ok with having a home. It’s just far too beautiful out there to not enjoy it. We can deal with the rough winters. Don’t mind snow and cold, just can’t stand 35, rainy and muddy here 6 mos of the year!
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Grand Junction is excellent. Would think same for real estate. Right on periphery of Avon.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Couldn't get the defense lined up. Big indicator that there was something very wrong with the Gump. I wonder how many timeouts were wasted on that alone. Heupel will save them to score again.
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It's pretty bad when fans like myself even know you aren't lining up correctly. I remember a few times our DL would have completely wacky spacing or the time we got scored on against Ga St with 10 men on the field...turrible.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
I agree with everything except two points:

1. Posters were overjoyed (in general) when Fulmer took over as AD because he was a sports guy, not a bean counter. He would right the UT AD... revisionist history makes him a bad choice from the beginning.

2. Kiffin lost me when he said that he was going to make UT into sc East. Putting up posters of sc great players NOT Tennessee great players. Then he left at least two wins on the field with bad coaching decisions. Played to lose close games against bama and florida (just wanted to look good, uninspired coaching schemes) especially UCLA. No answer for either ole miss or auburn. No effort to win bowl game against VT. Only times that I want to see kiffin at Tennessee is watching him deflate on the sideline as CJH’s team runs up the score on him. 😁
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Agree with your two points, bud. On #1, we as fans trusted the UT admin/major boosters when it came to selecting Phillip. We did not trust Bahama John and SchiaNO. So the immediate reaction after that was over was, "Good, a diehard UT guy who understands football." It's obvious now they did not spend much time on his potential AD management abilities prior to handing him the job. Hire badly, manage worse. We don't hire the AD, that's on UT/boosters.

I even agree somewhat on Kiffin. The USC stuff was ridiculous - but that was on Hamilton and HOH letting it happen. His game decisions I can get past. He had a crap roster to work with and was just throwing stuff at the wall to get inspired play out of them. His foot was already out the door in all likelihood with the bowl game. My point with him primarily was that he gives it everything he has to win and does not micro manage. He can rebuild a program - we just don't know to what level. He is an offensive and QB guru. He can hire good coaches and let them develop the players. He also uses people and acts like an adolescent child. And like you - I hope we beat Ole Piss to a pulp.
 
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C-town Vol said:
To play devil’s advocate...
Heupel has never “built a program” either. He inherited what Frost built.

Having said that, I am more optimistic about Heup than many. The offensive staff having so much experience together, Heup having a strong offense at Mizzou, a complete tear down / rebrand of Vol football, taking a unique route instead of trying to beat Bama/UGA at their own game...

But none of us know the outcome of this. Time will tell...as frustrating as that may be.
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True. His is limited to building offenses. Dools, Botch, and Cornbread did not even do that. They ran and made small changes to what was given them.
 
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Helton1 said:
Calloway will be the best of all of them. Yet everyone continuously forgets him.
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Out of sight out of mind. Excited to see what this staff does with all this speed. Wideman is gonna eat on the outside deep balls too. Holiday/Calloway/Velus on bubbles and smokes and slants. Speed speed speed. Points points points. Puts a tickle in my pickle
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
I agree with everything except two points:

1. Posters were overjoyed (in general) when Fulmer took over as AD because he was a sports guy, not a bean counter. He would right the UT AD... revisionist history makes him a bad choice from the beginning.

2. Kiffin lost me when he said that he was going to make UT into sc East. Putting up posters of sc great players NOT Tennessee great players. Then he left at least two wins on the field with bad coaching decisions. Played to lose close games against bama and florida (just wanted to look good, uninspired coaching schemes) especially UCLA. No answer for either ole miss or auburn. No effort to win bowl game against VT. Only times that I want to see kiffin at Tennessee is watching him deflate on the sideline as CJH’s team runs up the score on him. 😁
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One thing about Kiffin we should also remember is that he had just come from the NFL and to him UT was a stepping stone to get back to California, where his wife wanted to go and at the time back back to the NFL where he and his dad both came from. He was really a good coach but his youth and arrogance were never going to let him stay here long and he jumped at the first chance.

As far as Fulmer we have all seen now what went on behind the curtain so to speak and realize that he was part of the problem to begin with when he was released the first time. Fulmer was a great manager and recruiter when he was head coach and he had great coaches and recruiters around him and he was able to make good decision on the field but when the core group left it went down hill.
Cutcliff leaving was the one that hurt the most and because he trusted him. I don't think he ever trusted any of the OC that followed and he started meddling, thought he could fix it and it never happened. He, to this day, thinks he was the man that could fix it and we all see now that's just not the case and he just can't accept that even now.
 
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Vols4us said:
True. His is limited to building offenses. Dools, Botch, and Cornbread did not even do that. They ran and made small changes to what was given them.
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We had a historic offense under Dooley. Not that he was the sole genius behind it, but it was amazing.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
Been looking quite a bit around grand junction, and steam boat.
Just now familiarizing myself with parts of Montana, and Utah.
I would love to find land to build on and start looking at some of the things you mentioned.
Biggest thing for us is getting out there and visiting a place we would be ok with having a home. It’s just far too beautiful out there to not enjoy it. We can deal with the rough winters. Don’t mind snow and cold, just can’t stand 35, rainy and muddy here 6 mos of the year!
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I love the SW Colorado area. It is the most geographically diverse part of the state, and towns like Cortez and Montrose are relatively inexpensive. Grand Junction is a cool choice also for the same reason...so much diversity of landscape and "Things to do" within 3-4 hours.
 
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