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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I really don't understand..at this point..why they won't go after one of the good mid-major DCs. I believe those guys are hungry enough to jump at the chance..plus they have already shown what they can do.
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Yeah agree completely at this point. Surely being at UCF & Buffalo for years DW knows of a few, that's connections in the MAC & American.
 
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Maybe we can hire an offensive guru to coach defense lol.

On a more serious note, I wonder if more coaches attempt what Raheem Morris did. Was a defensive guy working with DBs prior to HC job at TB. Then went to Atlanta to be WR coach and really did well with the WRs. Then we he became interim HC that defense really improved. Seeing both sides of the ball can really help you learn the game from each angle
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah agree completely at this point. Surely being at UCF & Buffalo for years DW knows of a few, that's connections in the MAC & American.
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Hopefully he makes a run at Tulsa DC. We would fall right into a home run. Might as well just bring Randy Shannon before you bring the guy that Miami just took play calling duties from.
 
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Vols4us said:
Exactly. We need to get past this skin color thing as a nation and in sports. It's getting ridiculous. Quit letting people divide us into classes, so they can assign winners and losers for their own benefit and enjoyment. Treat everybody equally like common decency says we should, as well as our faith backgrounds and nation's documents/laws say that we should.

Hire the best available. It starts with the HC. Check. O staff is here. Check. Now let the HC hire who he wants as DC, so we can check that off and hire D coaching staff. Then, get back to football. The HC provides the system of play. The DC's job is to fit the D into what the HC wants. The HC is the only one who should have a vote on who is hired as the DC and related staff.

If that was not to be Steele, so be it. Move on and sing a different song. Then give CJH at least the three years the other bozos got before calling for his head.
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When it comes to minority hires, the criticism seems silly when you consider no one says a word when a minority doesn't take an opportunity presented. For example, if it's true Tony Elliott backed out on us, that's one less minority HC in college football. And we have no idea how often that goes on. Just because the ultimate hire isn't considered "diverse", that doesn't mean minorities weren't offered the job. But as people are fond of saying on VN, you can't make someone take the job.

You hire the best you can get, regardless of race or ethnicity.
 
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pierce60 said:
Read the last two sentences of the article. It doesn’t give me the warm fuzzies that he’d want to come be a college DC.

Jerod Mayo talks Tennessee football, coaching career on Nashville radio

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Your friendly neighborhood ass hole.
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“I’ll be honest with you, the coordinator role, I’ve been offered coordinator roles. I’ve been offered coordinator roles. To me, where this whole notion that you have to be a coordinator to be a head coach, to me, is totally off. Like if you’re a leader of men, do you have to call plays? I don’t think so, personally. Or if you’re a leader of men, do you have to have a title of coordinator? I don’t think so. And I’m not big into titles, I’m not big into all that stuff. I’m big into winning football games. To me, that’s what I think it’s all about. And I think I have a lot to offer as far as the head coach is concerned. And to me, right now, that’s my primary goal, to be a head coach at any level, honestly.”
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I think he's mostly right on not needing play calling experience to be a HC, but this doesn't really scream he doesn't want to be a coordinator to me. I would imagine everybody would jump from position coach to HC if given the opportunity. That doesn't normally happen, though.
 
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Weezer said:
Why? Because I want UT football to be better? If the legion exists, it's because the last 15 years have created it. It's not the same as it was back in Johnny's time. UT has done nothing to inspire hope these last 15 years making bad decision after bad decision. I find your comment kind of insulting. I've blindly believed and followed throughout all these bad times. Even now, I'm still hoping to be wrong and see improvement. I want JH to succeed, but I just can't find it in me to blindly believe anymore. I need to see it. I don't think that makes me part of the legion, I'm just no longer a sheep when it comes to UT football. You can still be a loyal fan, even if you doubt the leadership.
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I can remember when I lost hope. Early December 2012. Seems like yesterday.

Tennessee hires Bearcats' Jones as new coach

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Weezer said:
When it comes to minority hires, the criticism seems silly when you consider no one says a word when a minority doesn't take an opportunity presented. For example, if it's true Tony Elliott backed out on us, that's one less minority HC in college football. And we have no idea how often that goes on. Just because the ultimate hire isn't considered "diverse", that doesn't mean minorities weren't offered the job. But as people are fond of saying on VN, you can't make someone take the job.

You hire the best you can get, regardless of race or ethnicity.
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Very true, I just hate the narrative that pops up with the "well he got interviewed BECAUSE..." Tony Elliott & Al Washington both weren't interviewed to check a box. They both are very capable coaches that are going to get opportunities to elevate their positions.

Am I surprised BOTH turned us down? Yeah I am. But I also kind of understand it, because the unfortunate reality is that if either fail at a bigger school it will have more of a negative impact on other black coaches in the future. Lots more pressure to succeed for minority HCs because of how few exist in the major sports.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I really don't understand..at this point..why they won't go after one of the good mid-major DCs. I believe those guys are hungry enough to jump at the chance..plus they have already shown what they can do.
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Yeah, it's very interesting.

I think they are trying to find a DC to cover up Heupel's weaknesses: the offense can be hit or miss, especially at this level, so you need a defensive coordinator that can plan for being on the field a long time. We know there is no real plan for that, you're just kinda screwed, but maybe it can be mitigated some.

And it appears we are targeting someone young who can recruit really well.

Edit: another thing to think about is that we just hired a mid major HC. Might want someone with steady SEC or P5 experience.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
I think he's mostly right on not needing play calling experience to be a HC, but this doesn't really scream he doesn't want to be a coordinator to me. I would imagine everybody would jump from position coach to HC if given the opportunity. That doesn't normally happen, though.
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But why would he come be a college DC when his ultimate goal is to be a HC (which can be reached much quicker and be much less risky by staying in the NFL)? If he comes to Tennessee and has a sub-par year or two then that’s a huge set back. If he has a decent year or two in New England (which is much more likely) then he is an NFL DC or HC, which seems to be his preference.
 
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So has there been any official statement made by OHST or Washington that he has not, or is not, accepting the job? I'd like to see what happened and interested to see what he said... I thought it was confirmed that he did in fact receive an official offer and was deciding...
 
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DW/JH need to talk to bartoo the cfbmatrix guy who started a company to advise schools on coaches around the country and who matches with what styles of coach. His analysis in coaches is usually pretty solid. He has some schools such as Oregon that are using his services.

He has tried to make it know on Twitter even tagging them that there is no need to hire an inexperienced play caller like Washington when he has a client that would be a top hire and fit for the offensive style JH runs that is on standby waiting for the call and would jump at the opportunity. Would love to know who it is but he won’t say.
 
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pierce60 said:
But why would he come be a college DC when his ultimate goal is to be a HC (which can be reached much quicker and be much less risky by staying in the NFL)? If he comes to Tennessee and has a sub-par year or two then that’s a huge set back. If he has a decent year or two in New England (which is much more likely) then he is an NFL DC or HC, which seems to be his preference.
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I'm with you. He's just never explicitly stated he isn't interested in being a college DC like OP stated, unless I'm missing something.
 
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volinbama256 said:
So has there been any official statement made by OHST or Washington that he has not, or is not, accepting the job? I'd like to see what happened and interested to see what he said... I thought it was confirmed that he did in fact receive an official offer and was deciding...
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OSU won't release anything. They don't want the appearance one of their coaches gave consideration to coach at crappy Tennessee.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
I think he's mostly right on not needing play calling experience to be a HC, but this doesn't really scream he doesn't want to be a coordinator to me. I would imagine everybody would jump from position coach to HC if given the opportunity. That doesn't normally happen, though.
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Recruiting experience is what Washington has over Mayo. If we are looking for a young leader to bring a winning culture to the defense, Mayo would be a good fit. Playing/Coaching for the Patriots and being a high draft pick from Tennessee makes me think he would be able to recruit well.
 
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Weezer said:
When it comes to minority hires, the criticism seems silly when you consider no one says a word when a minority doesn't take an opportunity presented. For example, if it's true Tony Elliott backed out on us, that's one less minority HC in college football. And we have no idea how often that goes on. Just because the ultimate hire isn't considered "diverse", that doesn't mean minorities weren't offered the job. But as people are fond of saying on VN, you can't make someone take the job.

You hire the best you can get, regardless of race or ethnicity.
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You mean they left that stat out of the seeking diversity column? Exactly. I cannot fault any person, regardless of skin color, for not taking a job with this program at any level. It has been a mess for 15 years that continued to trend downward. Any hire now has to believe in the new leadership and its approach. Kind of hard to even consider when you are successful where you are and can Full Gundy your way to a better deal or situation.

I want UT to stop playing the hiring and football games by using everybody else's rules. Play by their own and be fair to all involved - equally. The Golden Rule is golden for a really good reason. There's the Bama way, The Clemson way, the OSU way, etc. We will never be as successful as we want until we get back to the Tennessee way. We even have the tradition and history to do it that way that was given to us from the General. Be innovative and aggressive, stop imitating others.
 
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