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#101
#101
1985Vols said:
Based on results, yes he is overpaid. What do we have to show for his $5M salary other than 1 Co- SEC Championship in 2018? Nate Oates is making 1/2 that amount and is getting ready to win an SEC title outright in his second season.
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And?
 
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#105
1985Vols said:
And what? What part of “ Barnes is overpaid based on results” do you not understand? Are you from Alabama?
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Here’s a reality check for you.

All college basketball coaches are overpaid.

Yes, that goes for Rick Barnes, Coach K, Calipari, Oats, I could go on....

I don’t care how many championships those coaches have won. None of them are worth millions of dollars to coach basketball.

There’s nothing you nor me can do about it so complaining about it is a waste of time.
 
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I would like to take this opportunity to point out that, so far tonight, the following happened:

- #22 Florida scored one point over the last 6:37 seconds to lose to South Carolina
- #5 Houston was mobbed in the second half and lost to a very abysmal East Carolina team
- #16 Virginia Tech was wrecked by mediocre Pitt

The night is still young, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Kentucky come roaring back against Mizzou or an upset of either #14 UVA/#15 Creighton (my money being on the latter by a bad Georgetown).

Last night's game was a very poor showing for the Vols, maybe the worst I've seen UT look offensively since the back-to-back Cavs and Hoyas losses under Cuonzo that didn't see the Vols crack 40 points. It proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this team is not anywhere close to the upper echelon occupied by Baylor and Gonzaga. But every team aside from those two has a few bad nights (and, uh, maybe Villanova/Michigan but it's hard to lay an egg if you don't actually play any games) and this doesn't disqualify the Vols from making the Sweet Sixteen or maybe getting a little further if they can find someone who consistently takes over the game on the offensive end.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Here’s a reality check for you.

All college basketball coaches are overpaid.

Yes, that goes for Rick Barnes, Coach K, Calipari, Oats, I could go on....

I don’t care how many championships those coaches have won. None of them are worth millions of dollars to coach basketball.

There’s nothing you nor me can do about it so complaining about it is a waste of time.
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That’s funny. Glad you agree!
 
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#108
1985Vols said:
There are a lot of coaches that have their teams “ consistently” in the top 25 making a lot less than CRB. Again, I appreciate what CRB has done here but that shouldn’t give him a pass on earning a $5M salary without some results to match the expectations. Unless something drastically changes, He will have underachieved 2 of the last 3 seasons. Twice in his teams have been picked to win the SEC and we have zero trophy’s to show for it.
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Lol how you stuck on the man's pockets.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Unless Barne’s salary is coming out of your bank statement, then there’s no reason to complain about it.
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I used to purchase season tickets to both football and basketball which required a healthy donation. However, after watching the athletics Dept. throw money around like our Government, I no longer participate in their ticket games. Purchasing second hand is much more diligent.
 
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#112
1985Vols said:
I used to purchase season tickets to both football and basketball which required a healthy donation. However, after watching the athletics Dept. throw money around like our Government, I no longer participate in their ticket games. Purchasing second hand is much more diligent.
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That’s your choice.

Whether Barnes gets fired or retires on his own, he’s going to get his money whether you buy tickets or not.
 
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1985Vols said:
Lol, if we Had a football coach that was the 4th highest paid coach in the country and he wasn’t competing for and winning championships, everyone would want him fired.
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We just fired a coach who was being paid 38th in the country. If you don’t win, it doesn’t matter how much you make.

Martin was being paid like 10th in the conference here, and many weren’t happy, including me being frustrated in year three. It doesn’t matter what a coach makes- he’s got to win enough games.
 
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VolGee4 said:
We just fired a coach who was being paid 38th in the country. If you don’t win, it doesn’t matter how much you make.

Martin was being paid like 10th in the conference here, and many weren’t happy, including me being frustrated in year three. It doesn’t matter what a coach makes- he’s got to win enough games.
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I don’t disagree. It’s all about winning games . However, with higher pay comes higher expectations.
 
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#116
IMO...most of the problems are the HC fault. He brought in every player on the roster, he is responsible for their development, he is responsible for their training, he is responsible for schemes and unfortunately it’s heading down the road of an underachieving year.
 
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#117
Unfortunately this talented squad has left us wondering and scratching our collective heads. There are some attributes you just can’t teach, and that is performing under pressure, having mental toughness, having the guts to take tough shots. Once our 11 pt lead evaporated, this team just looked lost. Very similar to how they played the entire game against Florida. On the floor leadership wasn’t there from seniors, careless turnover after turnover from literally everyone, lack of blocking out on the glass, missed front ends of 1&1’s, etc....each individual opportunities to make winning plays and we didn’t win many of them when it mattered.

We only had one guy on the team who was playing to win, late in the game on both ends and that was Keon. But he missed a FT and had two heavily contested drives roll off the rim. Everyone else played timid. Fulkerson again disappointed and while Pons had a good overall game, late he was busy flopping on the floor trying to steal a foul. I noted, post the impressive game we had against Kansas that we would learn a lot about this squad vs Ole Miss. And did we learn a lot.

The rest of the year, we will have some good games and we will have some clunkers. I think that is the character of this group. It isn’t scheme at all in my opinion. It is about attitude and inability to deal with adversity. Maybe a normal pre-season and fewer cancelled games early on would have helped us at this point. Perhaps a 30 or 40 pt beat down against Gonzaga would have humbled us rather than coasting prior to SEC league play. I don’t know, but my expectations are not that high anymore. We will make the tournament but it will be short-lived. Will support them and Barnes throughout, but their is no magic in this squad. Potential...sure, but it won’t be realized this year. There is a lot more intangible attributes required to win games than what this team currently possesses. I hope they prove me wrong.
 
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#118
#118
wmcovol said:
Where’s all these PGs we have instead of Vescovi?
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Why do all of our guards (VS is the worst) keep driving in the middle and not looking to shoot or pass, they just lose the ball, walk, or a turnover. Driving and kicking out is not a new move anymore, teams are waiting. We need to shoot “and hit” our layups. Keyon missed 5 layups, you have to finish after contact (he is my favorite player). Last night was Springers worst game by far.
 
#120
#120
Volnuck said:
Why do all of our guards (VS is the worst) keep driving in the middle and not looking to shoot or pass, they just lose the ball, walk, or a turnover. Driving and kicking out is not a new move anymore, teams are waiting. We need to shoot “and hit” our layups. Keyon missed 5 layups, you have to finish after contact (he is my favorite player). Last night was Springers worst game by far.
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“Keyon” missed 5 layups while going 2 for 6 ?
 
#122
#122
1985Vols said:
I don’t disagree. It’s all about winning games . However, with higher pay comes higher expectations.
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And those expectations were met by CRB when he made us relevant again in basketball...funny how you conveniently ignore that fact and act like the reason we now have E8 and FF expectations is precisely because of CRB (I can't wait to see how high your "CRB is paid too much" post count goes when he gets his next raise if he takes us to the E8 and FF...lol).
 
#123
#123
Thunder Good-Oil said:
“Keyon” missed 5 layups while going 2 for 6 ?
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FWIW, missed shots in which you are fouled do not count as FG attempts. He had 3 of those instances in the 2nd half. Two drives to the right side of the basket, and then the final play of the game where he got the OReb, got fouled going back up, and made 1 of 2 FTs. He also had 2 misses at the rim without being fouled. So, technically, he did miss 5 shots at the rim, but only two of those shots counted as FG attempts.
 
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#124
cncchris33 said:
FWIW, missed shots in which you are fouled do not count as FG attempts. He had 3 of those instances in the 2nd half. Two drives to the right side of the basket, and then the final play of the game where he got the OReb, got fouled going back up, and made 1 of 2 FTs. He also had 2 misses at the rim without being fouled. So, technically, he did miss 5 shots at the rim, but only two of those shots counted as FG attempts.
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Yep, all those layups were pretty highly contested. There is missing an uncontested gimme layup and missing when you’re basically mugged. Two entirely different situations involved.
 
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