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Vols4us said:
Again - if it is Campbell - on 2/1 the buyout drops by $1 M without a waiver from ISU. The longer it goes is not a bad thing unless they are not going with Campbell. They can save $1 M that can be applied to coaching staff salaries by simply waiting less than a week. UT will not announce unless they have a signed MOU, IMO. So, if it is somebody else they could go on announce once that occurs.
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Where did you see this? Cause I read an article that had his buyout at 7M when he signed his extension in 2019 and dropping 1M annually through the rest of his deal bottoming out at 2M in 2023. So he should be at $4M right or 5M depending on the date he signed it.

I'm hoping your info is correct cause that extra few million could be huge.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I take it you wouldn’t want Urban Meyer as HC then?

TONS of culture issues. Had a legit murderer on his team, a crap ton of arrests. Poor leadership, poor culture. Plus the stuff at OSU with the assistant coach. Basically harboring an environment where it’s ok to beat on pregnant women.

So I take it Urban would be a no from you?
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Correct. I think Urban is a terrible person as well.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Volzown when asked if he thought White has his man yet.....30 min ago:

“No”
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RockyTop411 said:
Campbell isn't even being mentioned by any reporters. Bummer
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mr.checkerboards said:
1. AJ wasn't the leader of a team full of 18-23 year old men thay facilitated that culture.
2. If you listened to the story it wasn't too hard to see that AJ may end up being innocent.
3. Go look at Franklin's time at Penn St. He has had major culture issues there as well, if it was only the Vandy thing maybe he gets the benefit of the doubt but not when he has issues at his next school as well.
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1. Facilitated? Really? Come on man, that's pretty lazy.
2. Um, yeah OK. “They were like animals,” she said. “A.J. picked my body off the bed, puts me in the middle of two office chairs … They bent my body over (a chair).”
3. Has he been in trouble for any of these alleged issues?


Listen, is James Franklin an ass? Yes, 100%
Is he a winner? Yes, 100%
Was he cleared in the Vandy rape stuff? Yes, 100%

And for the record, the AJ Johnson stuff was 100% BS however above is a quote and how the Tennessean manipulated that story to bring down UT. Same thing happened with Franklin but if the District Attorney and the State of Tennessee say he's in the clear then he's in the clear.
 
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I don't know if Campbell could get us to the playoffs. But I still think he would be worth $8 million easily. He would have our team in some absolute knife fights with top programs.

Hiring him would instantly legitimize TN as a team with a bright future. Would change everything about our outlook moving forward.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yeah. It's totally like the OJ case 😂😂😂. It's crazy you are demonizing a man with zero evidence other than some last ditch (failed) efforts by the defense, and somehow also taking the moral high ground.

You probably think witch trials are pretty pure too. Better safe than sorry.

Listen man. I'll have plenty of time to laugh at you guys for getting all up in your feelings because we hired someone who beat UT when it actually happens, on the off chance that it actually happens.

So I'm just going to table that absurdity until then. Deal? Deal.
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Weird how personal you're taking this. Also strange how insistent you are on knowing how, why, and what people are thinking. You should pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath of fresh air. I could give two ***** that Franklin beat poorly coached UT teams on the field. Who hasn't beat us in the last 15 years? We've actually lost to teams worse than Vandy and I have nothing against those head coaches. Mason beat us, and I don't hate him. If anyone is acting like they have hurt feelings, it's you. You're pissed because some of us think Franklin was complicit in some way in trying to make this go away. And I know it's far more up in your feels than it is mine because you're the one throwing out ludicrous comparisons.
 
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Vols4us said:
Again - if it is Campbell - on 2/1 the buyout drops by $1 M without a waiver from ISU. The longer it goes is not a bad thing unless they are not going with Campbell. They can save $1 M that can be applied to coaching staff salaries by simply waiting less than a week. UT will not announce unless they have a signed MOU, IMO. So, if it is somebody else they could go on announce once that occurs.
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if matt campbell wants that $1m to take this job, you let him have it. we aren't looking to "save money" at this point.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I take it you wouldn’t want Urban Meyer as HC then?

TONS of culture issues. Had a legit murderer on his team, a crap ton of arrests. Poor leadership, poor culture. Plus the stuff at OSU with the assistant coach. Basically harboring an environment where it’s ok to beat on pregnant women.

So I take it Urban would be a no from you?
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Nah, he can go to hell too.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I take it you wouldn’t want Urban Meyer as HC then?

TONS of culture issues. Had a legit murderer on his team, a crap ton of arrests. Poor leadership, poor culture. Plus the stuff at OSU with the assistant coach. Basically harboring an environment where it’s ok to beat on pregnant women.

So I take it Urban would be a no from you?
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I know you didn’t ask me but I posted weeks ago that I could not support Meyer being here. There’s a line in the sand for me & Meyer and Franklin are both behind that line for me. I love UT football but not above all else.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I’m pretty sure if he only was in trouble for hookers that one he would have still been HC at Ole Miss or he wouldn’t have nearly the hard time to get a job. I always felt there was more to it and that he fel on the sword for NCAA items similar to what we are doing to Pruitt.
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I agree

It’s just funny how some people view things
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
For the Kiffin, Freeze or Franklin crowd. Simple question on each:

Kiffin - he left us once, what makes us think he won't do it again?
Freeze - he embarrassed one university with rules (& ethics) violations, what makes us think he learned his lesson?
Franklin - has he learned anything from what happened at Vanderbilt with the rape investigations?

Reputational risk matters - and ours isn't exactly sterling at the moment.
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Kiffin- SEC proven. Developer of talent. Flight risk easily mitigated with the right contract verbiage.

Freeze- Proven winner. Took Ole Miss to successes not reached since Archie. Can beat Saban.

Franklin- Proven winner. Made Vandy relevant, be damned if the east was in a slump that’s something. 3 11 win seasons since 2014 at Penn State. Rape investigations are just that, investigations that yielded no significant findings. Public opinion didn’t sway the school with the absolute worst scandal in history from hiring him.

Common thread.... all can win. Are they perfect? No. The only difference between these three and other successful coaches is that their misdeeds were public. Reputational risk is taken with every hire. If you think other big name coaches are saints compared to these you’re incorrect.

Look at their resumes against the other “safer” options we think we have. Fleck had 1 good year followed by an abysmal one against a conference infinitely weaker than ours. He isn’t proven. Campbell has had mild success in a far weaker conference, and had some wins against OSU. Freeze took over an irrelevant Ole Miss team and bested Saban multiple times. Kiffin in his first year at Ole Miss battled Saban to the wire and is an incredible builder of talent. Saban s***s on OSU regularly. Franklin has a win percentage that we could only dream of.

Tl:dr Moral high ground will only leave you in this search with unproven candidates and eliminate all who know the SEC and have had successes in the toughest conference in the country. These guys aren’t saints but neither are any of the other big brands out there.
 
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jakez4ut said:
you don't follow up Schiano Sunday by hiring James Franklin....if some of y'all don't see why, that's unfortunate. but we're not trying a case in a court of law here.....i don't need proof of anything to determine if he matches the "integrity and moral compass" standards discussed on Friday.

it's non starter....
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mr.checkerboards said:
1. AJ wasn't the leader of a team full of 18-23 year old men thay facilitated that culture.
2. If you listened to the story it wasn't too hard to see that AJ may end up being innocent.
3. Go look at Franklin's time at Penn St. He has had major culture issues there as well, if it was only the Vandy thing maybe he gets the benefit of the doubt but not when he has issues at his next school as well.
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IMO it doesn't matter if he was guilty or innocent. I don't think he's even being considered by the administration because these culture issues have followed him to Penn St so at the very least he isn't doing a good enough job at fostering a culture that prevents these things from happening. I think he's just a name people are throwing out because they don't have any actual info and are just trying to think of coaches who would possibly take the job.
 
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