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johnfnkelly said:
Somebody give me a modern example of a coordinator who walked into a similar situation as us and brought them back into a national contender.
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I’ll go Clemson / Dabo. although if my memory serves. He wasn’t even a coordinator. Got the interim coach gig when they fired T Bowden. Then people laughed (like me) when they hired Dabo officially.
 
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HankHill said:
How are they different. Brady has done nothing outside of having a great year at LsU with literally the best offensive football cast ever assembled in college football. Elliots resume and background is far more impressive than Brady’s and people would love Joe Brady. Maybe it’s a color issue???, 🤫🤫
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I think that's why I don't want Elliott the most. As if the complaining isn't bad enough when we lose. Now we will have an entire woke contingency calling those people racists every two seconds.

Which is a shame. If we did hire him, it would be nice if we could just talk about him through his merits on the field. But unfortunately there's still people like you that insist on defining black people by the color of their skin.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
In my opinion, I feel this program needs someone who has showcased they can take a roster filled with pieces that don’t quite fit, and make lemons out of lemonade. This roster is not Clemson. It is not Alabama. It has a myriad of pieces that could potentially be something special but it’s going to require a guy who can squeeze every last drop out of them.

Elliot has been an impressive coordinator, but he is working with premiere talent that does not need the push that our roster needs. He might have a great scheme, but I question if that translates with the severe drop in talent he will experience the first 2-3 years here.

Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t. I’d prefer not to find out.
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That's literally Napier but everyone sh!ts on the thought of that hire too.
 
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HankHill said:
What????? Hahah. When was either 3 of those programs ever not nationally relevant and anywhere comparable to us. You also listed the best 2 college coaches in history and a guy who pen state has wanted to fire multiple times lol
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Bama was not nationally relevant before Saban. Neither was OSU. Penn state was coming off worst scandal in CFB history. Give me the coordinator example. Go ahead. Waiting on it.
 
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Batman1948 said:
In my opinion, Kiffin is not a good head coach. He's a great OC but his teams have terrible defenses. A great coach should not have terrible defenses. Someday, he may wake up and hire someone to run the defensive side of the ball but until he does that, he's just a great OC that happens to be the head man.
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2 of the years Kiffin was at FAU they were top 40 in total defense (34, 40). So, thats factually incorrect. This year with ole miss he had to piece together a defense so this year is kind of a wash. I think I'd trust he would get that turned around with recruiting.

Kiffin took a new team in his first year with no spring practice and hardly any fall practice to having a top 5 offense. If thats not impressive I dont know what to tell you.
 
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HankHill said:
What????? Hahah. When was either 3 of those programs ever not nationally relevant and anywhere comparable to us. You also listed the best 2 college coaches in history and a guy who pen state has wanted to fire multiple times lol
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Penn State was arguably in worse shape than us. Bama was going through the most mediocre era of their existence.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
In my opinion, I feel this program needs someone who has showcased they can take a roster filled with pieces that don’t quite fit, and make lemons out of lemonade. This roster is not Clemson. It is not Alabama. It has a myriad of pieces that could potentially be something special but it’s going to require a guy who can squeeze every last drop out of them.

Elliot has been an impressive coordinator, but he is working with premiere talent that does not need the push that our roster needs. He might have a great scheme, but I question if that translates with the severe drop in talent he will experience the first 2-3 years here.

Maybe it will. Maybe it won’t. I’d prefer not to find out.
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This is my thing as well.

I like Elliott. Seems like a good dude, can recruit, good offensive mind. But he’s working with elite talent.

We need someone who has proven they can do more with less. We aren’t gonna out-recruit Bama, UGA, and prob FL. And we play them every year. Bring me somebody who has shown they can take lesser talent and win games they aren’t supposed to win.

But I trust DW and I’ll get behind whoever he hires.
 
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yabo said:
To me everything is in tiers. If you can’t get a guy in the tier above then you move to the next.

Tier 1 -
Kiffin, Campbell, Fickell, Peterson, Fleck, Whittingham

Tier 2 -
Herman, Freeze (only due to perceived baggage), Chadwell, Napier, Elliot

Tier 3 -
Steele
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I like Steele ok as a dc as a head coach he’s tier 10 on that list.
 
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I see we are at Coordinators again. No just no. I never thought Campbell was a possibility but there is one sitting head coach who will take our job and that’s why I think he may be the pick in the end. I hope so..
 
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HankHill said:
Then explain to me how joe Brady is that much better of a candidate than Elliot? Because his resume certainly doesn’t back it up.
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I never said he was a better anything. I just wanted to see if you’d stop tippy toeing around what you really meant. I’m a Saints fan and I like Brady based off of that and learning offense from SP. I have absolutely no issues with Elliot other than he’s never been a coach. But don’t over hype a guy or under hype one based on race, that’s not fair.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
Good morning Volnation. We still searching....are we onto resurrecting Vince Lombardi DNA and cloning a younger David Cutcliffe portion of the rumors?
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I can tell you that it appears the board has finally moved on from Freeze. I never thought I would see the day when that happened.
 
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