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05_never_again said:
Sometimes I wonder if Cutcliffe was actually better suited for the HC job here than Fulmer was. Fulmer was the more senior guy, so that's obviously how Fulmer got it to begin with, but I've always thought Cut was a better football mind and if you've had a chance to hear him speak, he definitely has better communication skills and more charisma than Fulmer.
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Which is why this whole thing about Phil meddling is so bizarre to me.. As far as I know, he let Cut run his show on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying he didn’t have input, but we all saw what happened in 2006. It was a completely different team when Cut came back. I think Phil was the player‘s coach who held everyone’s hand and Cut was the disciplinarian who held guys accountable. If Cut had come here in 2010 I have zero doubt we would be in a better place than we are right now, regardless if he were still the coach or not.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Having played indoor soccer a few sessions, this is definitely true. I also saw a guy catch a flying kick to the chest from another player (who then ran away & left the facility).

The worst was the ex football guys who had no clue what they were doing and thought they needed to run over people.
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YES!!!! That was the worst part about indoor. Some times you play teams that obviously played for a long time and then play teams filled with players who barely played rec ball. They just foul the holy hell out of you all game.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I appreciate your info a lot, but this just sucks to read....
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It's like the least shocking thing of all time though. I don't know about the rest of the forum, but I've always been kind of ambivalent about Fulmer. Even though he was a very successful coach who did great things for the football program and University.

Maybe that's because it was during my high school and college years when the program started its slide and then started to totally unravel, and that's when you kind of start to have "adult" opinions about people and things that go on. Fulmer was at his peak when I was just a kid.

I think that Fulmer got where he got more because of political skills and less because of his actual skill as a coach. I get that any leader in a big hierarchical organization has to have some degree of political skill, but I have an issue with it when somebody is there primarily because of that skill and less because of their technical, managerial, leadership, decision-making, etc. skills. Fulmer, IMO, has a real Machiavellian side to him that belies grandpa-like demeanor.
 
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Vols4us said:
Exactly. Fulmer's success came from the synergy of Cut, Chavis, and him working together. None of them kept up with the game. Once the better programs caught up with Fulmer's recruiting, it was over.

Cut's system was a bit more advanced and adaptable than the D of Chavis and system operations of Fulmer. However, you still see him running some of the passing scheme and plays of the 90's at Duke, which no longer work.
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Here is my uneducated or qualified opinion. I always saw Chavis as an innovator against 80s-90s pro-style offenses. He crushed I-formation and single back offenses. He dominated teams Running out of those formations and 3-step and 5-step drop back passing. He struggled against any mobile QB and the evolution of the spread is where he never seemed to keep up. But Chavis wasn’t the recruiter that Phil was. So Phil brought him the talent and Chief put them into a system that was strongest against the opponents running NFL type schemes. He put a lot of talent into the league and It worked great for about 10 years which is a big credit to him.
 
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Tennessee Stud said:
Thanks for everything you have done for different folks over the years. I’ve lurked on the board for awhile and it appears you are a great man. With that being said, it appears you have a disdain for Phillip. He’s done more for this great university than you’ll ever do. Every move he makes is for the betterment of the university and our athletics programs.
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Fulmer is the reason we aren't the "Clemson" of today.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Which is why this whole thing about Phil meddling is so bizarre to me.. As far as I know, he let Cut run his show on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying he didn’t have input, but we all saw what happened in 2006. It was a completely different team when Cut came back. I think Phil was the player‘s coach who held everyone’s hand and Cut was the disciplinarian who held guys accountable. If Cut had come here in 2010 I have zero doubt we would be in a better place than we are right now, regardless if he were still the coach or not.
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Maybe that's because Cut was the only offensive assistant he really trusted. Phil and Cut kind of "grew up" together, so to speak, under Johnny's staffs. When Phil got the job he quickly made Cut his OC, and then when Cut left it's like he didn't know exactly where to go after that.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
I don’t have a disdain for Phillip. He is a friend (off the field) and was a hell of a football coach and did wonderful things for the program and the university in the hey day. But just because of that doesn’t give him a pass to do the things he has since becoming the AD. PERIOD.

Behind closed doors he has done more damage to the football program since he departed than any single person in the history of the program. If you ask any current coach who has been there since he has been AD in a closed room setting you would be astonished to hear the meddling and the toxic environment he has created. Trust me here...as more and more of this staff leave the more and more dirt will come out publicly about him and it will be a real bad look for him and the university for allowing it to happen.

There is a reason why you have a large conglomerate of very high profile boosters who have demanded him ride off into the sunset...guess we will see what happens.
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Then instead of being the great help and soft guiding hand he could have been to a inexperienced first timer, he has helped basically ruin it fir him and doomed the guy..we are the most betrayed fanbase in sports. Just pure damn bad luck in the people in charge.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Which is why this whole thing about Phil meddling is so bizarre to me.. As far as I know, he let Cut run his show on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying he didn’t have input, but we all saw what happened in 2006. It was a completely different team when Cut came back. I think Phil was the player‘s coach who held everyone’s hand and Cut was the disciplinarian who held guys accountable. If Cut had come here in 2010 I have zero doubt we would be in a better place than we are right now, regardless if he were still the coach or not.
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Idk what our record would be with Cut, but can tell you we would have had our pick of QBs throughout the country.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's like the least shocking thing of all time though. I don't know about the rest of the forum, but I've always been kind of ambivalent about Fulmer. Even though he was a very successful coach who did great things for the football program and University.

Maybe that's because it was during my high school and college years when the program started its slide and then started to totally unravel, and that's when you kind of start to have "adult" opinions about people and things that go on. Fulmer was at his peak when I was just a kid.

I think that Fulmer got where he got more because of political skills and less because of his actual skill as a coach. I get that any leader in a big hierarchical organization has to have some degree of political skill, but I have an issue with it when somebody is there primarily because of that skill and less because of their technical, managerial, leadership, decision-making, etc. skills. Fulmer, IMO, has a real Machiavellian side to him that belies grandpa-like demeanor.
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This is a truth I’ve been trying to avoid for a long time. I’m not much older than you I don’t think . Phil took over when I was 10 years old and We won the BCS my junior year in high school and I was just really starting to get into college football. It’s hard to when you grow up next door to Duke and UNC and they’re the basketball schools that they are and the football schools that they aren’t. That’s a tough reality to come to grips with.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
Have you been paying attention the last 14 years? They might’ve needed to cheat a little when Saban started but recently they can get whoever they want just by putting pen and paper in front of a kid.
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Alabama has been on autopilot since Saban won his 3rd title there in 2012. That made 3 in 4 years and he already had had the #1 or #2 recruiting class for something like 3 or 4 years before that.

Saban would never admit it, because it would be "rat poison," but they don't even have to try and recruit anymore. All the best players just want to go there, and they pick and choose the ones they want.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Which is why this whole thing about Phil meddling is so bizarre to me.. As far as I know, he let Cut run his show on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying he didn’t have input, but we all saw what happened in 2006. It was a completely different team when Cut came back. I think Phil was the player‘s coach who held everyone’s hand and Cut was the disciplinarian who held guys accountable. If Cut had come here in 2010 I have zero doubt we would be in a better place than we are right now, regardless if he were still the coach or not.
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I’ll admit that I did not want Cut in 2010 after Kiffin left and I remember being happier we got a young innovator like Dooley instead. I felt Cut’s Ole Miss stint showed he wasn’t what we needed.

I now think our results since then show I was dead wrong and we would have been far better off today if we would have hired Cut then.
 
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