Chris Low Says It Will Be “Difficult” For Pruitt To Stay As HC

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VolsSince78 said:
I’ve lived in 7 different towns in Texas including West Texas and the Valley below San Antonio. You can basically narrow UTexas’ recruiting area to exclude south of San Antonio and about 50-100 miles west of Austin and Ft Worth. There are more cattle, cactus, and oil rigs than people (much less football players) below San Antonio and in West Texas. There are exceptions, but this is the rule. So, half the square miles in Texas is almost excluded from football recruiting.

My earlier post specified Houston and DFW as rich high school recruiting grounds, deeper than anything around Knoxville. Both areas are 3 hours or less drive from Austin. These facts remain.

The real difference is that recruits in Houston and DFW will always consider UTexas as the first or second “local” option along with aTm more recently. Recruits in Atlanta and Charlotte don’t look at the Vols as first local option, even when our program is humming.
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I lived in Houston. I'm very familiar with the demographics of the state. Thats also where I began my 3 year stint in the world of football scouting.

However, I am from the deep south. I coached high school ball for a time in North Carolina and played college ball in the south.

With that said You are correct in that Houston and Dallas Fort Worth Area are the main talent hubs of talent in the state. But places like Midland, Odessa and many many other small Texas town eat sleep and breathe football. Talent comes from these places as well. Cedric Benson from Midland. Tony Brown from Beaumont. Both 5 stars, that weren't from the metro areas.

As you also know, Houston and Dallas in themselves are spread out cities. Public trans is kind of an afterthought. Get in your big truck and go where you need to go down there haha. Geography plays a part.

If you could draw a line encircling from Harris County up to Irvine and west to Austin south West San Antonio including suburbs of each area. That would still be a significant amount of square miles. Those cities are not next to each other. Mid-State TN is closer to Knoxville in relation than DFW to Houston.

My point is there is more talent in a 5 hour radius from Knoxville ( Mid-State TN, West Carolina Charlotte, Rockhill-South Carolina, Louisiville-Cincinnati, Atlanta-Metro, and Alabama) Than the entire state of Texas which EXCEEDS 5 hour radius because the state is so big. I didnt include Memphis.

As far as the popularity. Tennessee has the SEC affiliation like Texas AM that is quite frankly dominating Talent in Texas as result for the Aggies. I only used NC, TN, GA to illustrate a point. The truth is that 5 hour radius covers multiple states all with a similar demographic in their pie section. The talent is more dense where UTK footprint is than UTA. And Atlanta-Metro alone exceeds Houston Area in shear talent. I know this for certain. Atlanta exceeds Dade County in South FLA as well.

There's a lot to consider in my argument that I'm leaving out as well.
MAIN POINT- More football talent in the 5 hour radius of Knoxville than All of Texas.
 
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OldVol said:
I just can't believe we're allowing the Billion Dollar Baby to run us down yet another coaching rabbit hole after only giving a man 2 years and a pandemic year to see what he can do...... we are perpetuating insanity and hoping for better results. If we're going to do this let's at least go after a guy who has proven he can win in this league. Malzahn has beaten Saban more than anyone. Why not go after a guy who could recruit Alabama, Arkansas and Louisianna? I'm firmly, completely opposed to Herman. If he couldn't get it done in a hotbed of talent that is Texas, how in the world do we think he could recruit well enough here to beat Bama? This is just insane. I'm fine with anyone who wants Herman, I'm totllay opposed to it. He is far, far from a sure thing.
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Hiring a sure
Thing is not going to happen. Hiring someone who has a solid track record as HC is. We need to hire someone a little younger than Guz. I believe the game has passed him by and with his large buyout Indoubt he is hungry for success anymore. My
Opinion only.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Hiring a sure
Thing is not going to happen. Hiring someone who has a solid track record as HC is. We need to hire someone a little younger than Guz. I believe the game has passed him by and with his large buyout Indoubt he is hungry for success anymore. My
Opinion only.
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If winning 8-10 games a season and beating Nick Saban 3 times means the game has passed Gus Malzahn by i'll take it.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Ok, so you were pretending it did happen, not that it didn't. LOL The point is that coaches don't finish the season when fired. Otherwise, there wouldn't be interim coaches taking their place. Be safe out there, sir!
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In addition to the examples I listed previously, Muschamp at Florida finished out his last season after being informed he was fired. Tennessee fired Fulmer, Dooley and Butch with games left. All three were offered to finish out the season, but only Fulmer did (the other two said they didn’t want to be distractions). Unless the situation is egregious, college coaches usually are offered to finish the season because they’re going to be paid regardless. Admittedly, most don’t resulting in the need for an intern. This type information is usually in the article, not the headline, so it’s understandable in today’s climate that some may not know.
You stay safe as well!
 
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LittleVol said:
Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day :cool:.

That's cool you went to MIT.
What do you do know if you don't mind me asking? Hopefully making the world a better place...
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After the Kentucky game boosters were livid with Pruitt and moved their weight around with UTAD the day after. Booster Sentiment with Pruitt got worse as the season went on and concluded. I won’t mention a couple other things but there was a reason I was shocked Pruitt hasn’t been fired yet. I just do not know how he survives when ~85%+ of the boosters want you gone yesterday.

No ********.
 
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Birdie said:
Herman is option A. Younger than Freeze, great offensive mind, has helmed probably the hardest job in the country at Texas, and no baggage.
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Texas is the hardest job in the country??? Where you have unlimited resources, amazing recruits in your backyard and weak Big 12 conference to compete in? I guarantee you TN is a much harder position. If you can’t be successful in football at TX...it will be even tougher at TN
 
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Boca Vol said:
It's Jan. 6, 2021....who you gonna hire?
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Plenty of quality options. Freeze and Malzahn are coaches with SEC success and who have beat Saban multiple times. Tom Herman won 10 games and the Sugar Bowl a couple years ago. Matt Campbell is a long shot but would be a great option.
 
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vmivol00 said:
Texas is the hardest job in the country??? Where you have unlimited resources, amazing recruits in your backyard and weak Big 12 conference to compete in? I guarantee you TN is a much harder position. If you can’t be successful in football at TX...it will be even tougher at TN
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He was pretty successful at TX. 32-18 in 4 years. He was only fired because he didn't beat Oklahoma enough.
 
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LittleVol said:
I lived in Houston. I'm very familiar with the demographics of the state. Thats also where I began my 3 year stint in the world of football scouting.

However, I am from the deep south. I coached high school ball for a time in North Carolina and played college ball in the south.

With that said You are correct in that Houston and Dallas Fort Worth Area are the main talent hubs of talent in the state. But places like Midland, Odessa and many many other small Texas town eat sleep and breathe football. Talent comes from these places as well. Cedric Benson from Midland. Tony Brown from Beaumont. Both 5 stars, that weren't from the metro areas.

As you also know, Houston and Dallas in themselves are spread out cities. Public trans is kind of an afterthought. Get in your big truck and go where you need to go down there haha. Geography plays a part.

If you could draw a line encircling from Harris County up to Irvine and west to Austin south West San Antonio including suburbs of each area. That would still be a significant amount of square miles. Those cities are not next to each other. Mid-State TN is closer to Knoxville in relation than DFW to Houston.

My point is there is more talent in a 5 hour radius from Knoxville ( Mid-State TN, West Carolina Charlotte, Rockhill-South Carolina, Louisiville-Cincinnati, Atlanta-Metro, and Alabama) Than the entire state of Texas which EXCEEDS 5 hour radius because the state is so big. I didnt include Memphis.

As far as the popularity. Tennessee has the SEC affiliation like Texas AM that is quite frankly dominating Talent in Texas as result for the Aggies. I only used NC, TN, GA to illustrate a point. The truth is that 5 hour radius covers multiple states all with a similar demographic in their pie section. The talent is more dense where UTK footprint is than UTA. And Atlanta-Metro alone exceeds Houston Area in shear talent. I know this for certain. Atlanta exceeds Dade County in South FLA as well.

There's a lot to consider in my argument that I'm leaving out as well.
MAIN POINT- More football talent in the 5 hour radius of Knoxville than All of Texas.
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Agreed.

I lived in keller/Southlake for about 10 years.
Left 4 years ago

DFW is loaded but ou okst aggies tcu even Baylor tend to get first picks, even over tx sometimes

Tx usually produces some really qbs but I don't see them being anywhere close to NC ga or fla for overall talent

Imo, tn should stick w ga fla tn nc and va then come get some top off pieces if need be from tx
 
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OldVol said:
We're all entitled to our opinion and mine is that Herman will be a complete and total failure if he comes to the SEC. With all that talent in Texas he should have gotten them to the top in a hurry but he didn't. Wait till he has to play 5 or 6 top 15 teams in the nation year in and year out. Sorry, I just don't see it. He was 32/18 at Texas. He played 2 teams this year that were ranked at the time they played. His teams were more competitive this year, but to much inferior competition. Some of his losses were as folows: A 5/7 Maryland team, A 4/8 Maryland team, a 6/7 TT team, he beat a 2/9 Kansas team by 2. I'm just not as carried away with what he did at Texas as you are. That's fine. I never denigrate people for their opinions. If I think they're wrong, I do point it out. There's a monumental difference between the Big12 and the SEC. If he's hired, he will have spent not one season in the SEC at any level. He'll have to start all over building relationships with our recruiting base. He'll find that the work he has to do to land a top 5 class here will be munificently more difficult than anything he's ever faced at Texas.

His resume does not resonate with me that he's up for the rigors of SEC football.
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Butch Jones beat Florida and Georgia and was within a TD with Nick Saban at Alabama...

You guys need to get over this SEC crap, it is stupid. If you're comparing a G5 coach to SEC maybe an argument. Herman has coached in P5 and BEAT GEORGIA among other elite schools.

But you do you.
 
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vmivol00 said:
Texas is the hardest job in the country??? Where you have unlimited resources, amazing recruits in your backyard and weak Big 12 conference to compete in? I guarantee you TN is a much harder position. If you can’t be successful in football at TX...it will be even tougher at TN
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It is. They don't spend that money. Look-up their facilities, they still practice in a bubble. We have the same money they do. Yes, they technically have billions and billions in booster cash. But expenses are only so much..they don't have nicer helmets than TN. Their office desks aren't better. Players aren't wearing fancy shoes that make them better athletes that only Texas can afford.

No. Running a football program costs a certain amount of money. TN has more than enough money to buy anything that Texas can. Name one thing they can/have buy/bought that TN can not afford to buy. One thing. I'd love to hear it because this argument is old and simple.

Also. He was successful. Maybe not to their level but when have we had anyone that could compete with Georgia, Oklahoma and other top 10-15 teams, much less beat them? He does that. If he was winning NC and conference titles every year then he wouldn't be available at all. You all want to hire Nick Saban lol. THAT AINT HAPPENING brah.

So, get a guy who has.proven he can compete and beat P5 teams or hire the next up and comer from a G5 that has a VERY small chance to be the next Saban like you want and a VERY LARGE chance on being the next Jeremy Pruitt 5-7 football coach.
 
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Roustabout said:
He won 64%, which isn't good enough at Texas. Why he didn't do better is a mystery. I wonder if there is dysfunction at Texas, much like at Tennessee.
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Yep. He wasnt just losing to OU. He was losing to teams he had substantially out recruited.
He's 10-7 over the last 2 years in the Big 12 with better talent than everybody not named OU and he's pretty even with them.
 
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