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mr.checkerboards said:
Thoughts on this? I think there is some merit for sure?
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It definitely makes it take longer to rebuild. I hated the 25 cap rule. Without it then coaches can bring in more of their own guys in their first two full classes allowing them to turn the culture faster. Instead you are stuck with previous staff players longer. Transfer rule could help change some of this again if you can play the market right.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Thoughts on this? I think there is some merit for sure?
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He's not wrong. But that doesn't explain 7 double digit losses, a loss to GSU, KY at home, Arkansas, and Vandy thrown in. It also doesn't explain how that hasn't affected Mullen or Jimbo. Even Hugh has liberty rolling. All those teams have the same limitations.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Keep him another year and you might still lose all those guys after next year plus you miss on the 22 class. We may lose some of those guys, and that sucks, but so does keeping a lame duck coach to try and keep recruits or players.
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The flip side of this argument would be that he rights the ship so to speak. I realize its a tall task, but its not impossible. That would obviously be best case scenario. If that were the case, the 2022 recruits might take notice.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
It definitely makes it take longer to rebuild. I hated the 25 cap rule. Without it then coaches can bring in more of their own guys in their first two full classes allowing them to turn the culture faster. Instead you are stuck with previous staff players longer. Transfer rule could help change some of this again if you can play the market right.
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I'm torn. On one hand I say yes but on the other that would leave a lot of kids out in the cold with no place to go.
 
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05_never_again said:
How exactly was Doug Dickey able to keep all the boosters and admin people on the same page? I've heard that for years, but how exactly did he do it?

Was it because of the pre-existing reputation he had as a coach at Tennessee and Florida? If so, why doesn't Fulmer have the same effect? Fulmer was an even more successful coach than Dickey was, and has been a Tennessee lifer which Dickey was not.
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Just an opinion but the Fulmer/Majors situation was the start of something that has yet to change. I know to this day there are different opinions among $ on how that went down. Then add in the fact that Hamilton needed the "go ahead" before firing Phil (and that wasnt considered the right move across the board). Id guess there are still some substantial gaps that have never been bridged after those 2 situations.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
He's not wrong. But that doesn't explain 7 double digit losses, a loss to GSU, KY at home, Arkansas, and Vandy thrown in. It also doesn't explain how that hasn't affected Mullen or Jimbo. Even Hugh has liberty rolling. All those teams have the same limitations.
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Exactly I think rebuild needs to be qualified. Rebuilt to not being a bottom feeder sure, to being a legit NC contender is a whole other level
 
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MwB said:
Why doesn't he mention that if a coach wins 8 games in a row against teams Tennessee should beat, the coach will get a raise and an extension? I would say the lack of leadership within the Tennessee administration is a far more damning issue than the fanbase.

Is someone telling AP and VQ to push this narrative to try and get the fans to relax? I don't see that working and Tennessee needs to make a statement one way or the other.

If Nick Saban just had the season we did he would have to go into the witness protection program, but apparently it's just Tennessee fans that are the root of all problems Tennessee.
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because you don't have to mention it, do you?

2 losing seasons in 3, the losses at the beginning of this year, the way we lost this year etc....

what else do you really need to make a decision here????

you shouldn't need any up roar, or any social media revolutions or any trashing of players, coaches etc...and you most certainly shouldn't require the results of a compliance investigation to make the decision for you.

everyone has lost their minds. fans are mad, i get that.....believe me. but at what cost? there's a very realistic scenario that is kinda in play right now that could set this program back another 10 years.

just effin dumb. all of it. no one can get out of their own way here, fans, admin, coaches even players.....

it's the sum of the parts. not just one thing.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Exactly I think rebuild needs to be qualified. Rebuilt to not being a bottom feeder sure, to being a legit NC contender is a whole other level
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Yes, but I also don't like these rules. Don't like the 25 cap, don't like the one year transfer. It's going to make it easier on the teams currently at the top and tougher on teams trying to build.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I could see them going in that direction, but I don't think Marrone wants back in college. I think Herman would be the route to go.
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Career Record: 6 Years, 54-22, .711 Win%

Bowl Record: 6 Games, 5-1, .833 Win%

I'm all in on the Freeze train, but I would kill to have those type of numbers at Tennessee after all these years.
 
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jakez4ut said:
this is another thing i was thinking about....

so, we're waitng on the results of this investigation to guide our decision here...let's say the investigation doesn't turn up enough to do anything and we decide to keep him....how motivated exactly do you think pruitt is at that point? we're supposedly actively looking for reasons to fire him with cause, and since we can't, congratulations, you get to keep your job? psht.

i'd tank next year, you'd have to fire me, and i'm getting my $10M...or whatever it is, and all i'm losing is a year.

this whole thing is just stupid. the people over there, the whole lot of them--admin, president, chancellor, donors involved in the decision making process...all of them.....are morons, or at the very least very indecisive....and you've definitely cut the knees out from under your AD if he's really advocating for pruitt at this point...cause clearly there's enough folks that matter that disagree.....

ish or get off the pot, because how this is being handled is ludicrous. keep him...fine, you can explain that away with covid, quarantines yada, yada, yada and move on to a 'normal' year and see what happens.

fire him, fine...2 losing seasons in 3 years...no one blinks an eye and you cut bait and move on....

either way at least you've declared a direction and can move on.

doing nothing? while you wait on an investigation to conclude? MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. and i don't see any resolution to this that we come out on top....
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The fact that the investigation has gotten to this point is what makes me mad. It was a dumb route to take to get rid of a coach if that is the case.
 
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05_never_again said:
How exactly was Doug Dickey able to keep all the boosters and admin people on the same page? I've heard that for years, but how exactly did he do it?

Was it because of the pre-existing reputation he had as a coach at Tennessee and Florida? If so, why doesn't Fulmer have the same effect? Fulmer was an even more successful coach than Dickey was, and has been a Tennessee lifer which Dickey was not.
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easy. they won. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". even when there was dissention among some donors, all we'd do is go out and win 9 or 10 games....finish in the top 10, again.

they were bulletproof, til they weren't. and some of those donors that had wanted phil gone before, once they saw blood in the water in the early 00's, they were able to push Hamilton around.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
I feel bad for him with how it’s unfolding but this stuff is his responsibility
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I did for a little while but the more I think about the fact that he is cashing big boy checks and returning high school results all while trying to emulate the UA processes, then my sympathies turn to anger.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Yes, but I also don't like these rules. Don't like the 25 cap, don't like the one year transfer. It's going to make it easier on the teams currently at the top and tougher on teams trying to build.
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I agree the one year transfer just means the big boys are going to steal the good players from other schools to fill holes in their rosters. Imo it should be you either sing with a school and stay for 4 years or you go down a level unless there is a coaching change or serious sanctions against the school. The 25 im torn on because it would leave a lot of kids out in the cold
 
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