Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[volsnvikes]

I’ll reiterate that I still believe in Pruitt. Coach Fulmer, Boyd and Plowman do as well. The three have examined the situation thoroughly, and it appears as if they feel bringing Pruitt back is the best option. It’s not as easy as many people think to just go out here and hire some big time coach. The notion that Tennessee won’t spend money and they don’t care about winning is pure nonsense. This AD wouldn’t provide coach Pruitt with every tool necessary to win like they have over the last 3 years if they weren’t concerned with winning.

I’m not suggesting they don’t care. I’m suggesting they are incompetent compared to other college administrations with historically top tier football programs.

I’m also not suggesting it’s easy to fix. I’m suggesting I don’t believe they will. Ever.

The idea that letting a coach who will lose most of his staff and replace them with worse coaches can “turn it around” in modern college big-boy football is a joke.

This is only going one direction and it makes me sad.

 

[Nuctech777]

Bad stability is not the option otherwise Arkansas probably would have kept Chad Morris for longer. You haven't really put forth any good arguments to be attacking critical thinking

Exactly

 

[MrVolton]

In essence Chaney and Cregg were co-O line coaches. Chaney coached TE's in the NFL. He knows and has coached every position on offense. I talked with him at a VFL event for about 30 minutes. He told me how he planned to go about converting Aaron Douglas into an OT. He was not going to be play calling with Kiffin in charge. He was an OC without that duty, so he spend more time with each position group while emphasizing the O-line.

This is why I think he would have paired great with Sark or another HC that calls his own plays on offense.

 

[volinbama256]

I think the primary focus is on reshaping the offense. Pruitt needs to figure out an offensive identity and philosophy before he can hire the right assistants. He can replace Brumbaugh and add another defensive guy. He needs to be more of a HC and not a defensive coach, so adding another guy on that side would (theoretically) help. They've been running through scenarios-- but the top choices might not be available or willing to come.

Well he's pretty much sucked at both for the past 3yrs, so I guess any help we can get will be an improvement... I just SMH thinking about the core of this staff being back again next season when they didn't do a single thing right or grow/improve the program in any noticeable way since they've been here... really sad. And why would any assistant worth a 'ish want to come to this clown show?

 

[Nuctech777]

Freeze, Napier, and Chadwell will most likely be there for the picking this time next year as well. Especially Freeze and Chadwell. Give the Reverend another year to make sure he can run a clean program, give Chadwell another year to make sure this year wasn’t a fluke. If Jeremy can’t get it done next year, go ahead and bring one of those guys in. However, I still have confidence that coach Pruitt can get this program turned around if given proper time. We need stability, and those at the top feel the same way. Boyd, Plowman and Fulmer seem to all be on the same page. I’ll trust those three over anybody on this board. I’ve been a lurker for a long time, but it seems apparent to me that the critical thinking skills on this board collectively aren’t too good.

New assistant coaches every year = stability.
Gotcha.

 

[Orange Studs]

I’ll reiterate that I still believe in Pruitt. Coach Fulmer, Boyd and Plowman do as well. The three have examined the situation thoroughly, and it appears as if they feel bringing Pruitt back is the best option. It’s not as easy as many people think to just go out here and hire some big time coach. The notion that Tennessee won’t spend money and they don’t care about winning is pure nonsense. This AD wouldn’t provide coach Pruitt with every tool necessary to win like they have over the last 3 years if they weren’t concerned with winning.

Yeah a 3-7 season, hiring a new staff for a third time, can't develop talent, coaches hate work for him, Played a terrible QB for three years, and want let coaches do their job. Yes we are backing a winner here. lol

 

[9876543vol]

I’ll reiterate that I still believe in Pruitt. Coach Fulmer, Boyd and Plowman do as well. The three have examined the situation thoroughly, and it appears as if they feel bringing Pruitt back is the best option. It’s not as easy as many people think to just go out here and hire some big time coach. The notion that Tennessee won’t spend money and they don’t care about winning is pure nonsense. This AD wouldn’t provide coach Pruitt with every tool necessary to win like they have over the last 3 years if they weren’t concerned with winning.

I think they want to win, they are just very inept.

 

[volsnvikes]

I doubt that. Maybe no big names but anyone thinking a $250K paycheck for a year in Knoxville TN isnt enticing is, wrong.

Of course someone will take the money. I think his point was that we will be overpaying for coaches that are a reach.

 

[hog88]

A lot of boosters are tired of bankrolling this mess. If you think fans are sick of it, imagine how people being asked to donate and donate and donate to fund futility feel. It's never-ending.

then why aren’t they insisting on better upper management? That’s where the root of the problem begins.

 

[Vols4us]

A lot of boosters are tired of bankrolling this mess. If you think fans are sick of it, imagine how people being asked to donate and donate and donate to fund futility feel. It's never-ending.

100%. That is the sentiment. So when coaching changes are mentioned now some get the deer in the headlights look. I know some of them and was one formerly.

I tell them to stop believing what they are told by the people who mess it up each time.

If long term positive change is desired, they have two options. One is to swallow hard and pony up to buy the best available. It works. The other is to #EmptyNeyland along with #StopDonating. Money stops flowing, change happens. If neither of the two are done, they are choosing to deemphaisze and be Vandy East. No improvements to Neyland will be needed. Be the basketball school they are currently. Save the money for the arts, social clubs and such.

 

[Orange Studs]

A lot of boosters are tired of bankrolling this mess. If you think fans are sick of it, imagine how people being asked to donate and donate and donate to fund futility feel. It's never-ending.

I can understand that. So the attendance falls off and they lose millions so its a no win situation. I am a small donor and I attend several games but I can't continue either in my small contributions.

 

[Aesius]

The chances of Pruitt succeeding long term here are essentially zero. Most coaches fail in the SEC, even those who have early success. I can’t recall any coach who ultimately succeeded in the SEC after initially outright failing. At least not in the modern era. Keeping Pruitt another second is kicking the can down the road and refusing to accept reality.

 

[MrVolton]

For sure he does. We have ran 3 different offenses through 3 years with Pruitt. He needs to figure out what he wants to be.

I think he’s figured out what he wants to be, and that’s an obsolete “pro-style, ball-control” offense. I’m sure Fulmer has cheered him on in this direction too. The problem is that neither of them have figured out that you can’t win many games like that these days.

 

[LA Vol]

Thanks for your info. We all know where this is going if we are honest about it. Rearranging deck chairs for the third time in a row.

I do think it can be better. Fixing our abysmal offense, addressing the culture, developing the QBs, holding position coaches and coordinators accountable and getting Pruitt to be more of a HC should get us out of the gutter. But longer-term, we need a better solution.

 

[VolGee4]

Yup. We took a 3-7 staff, made it worse and expect better. It's insanity.

I don’t quite see it that way, but no one here will care. A staff is more about cohesion. Sum is greater than its parts. You can replace members with “lesser knowns” and actually get better results. I think it has been stated this staff had issues together. But that’s JMO.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

I do think it can be better. Fixing our abysmal offense, addressing the culture, developing the QBs, holding position coaches and coordinators accountable and getting Pruitt to be more of a HC should get us out of the gutter. But longer-term, we need a better solution.

Freeze me.

 

[MarcoVol]

I do think it can be better. Fixing our abysmal offense, addressing the culture, developing the QBs, holding position coaches and coordinators accountable and getting Pruitt to be more of a HC should get us out of the gutter. But longer-term, we need a better solution.

How do you fix a horrid offense while keeping the same OC who runs the same system tho? Are we just hoping that a new QB magically helps us start scoring 30+ ppg and our stale offensive philosophy will work this year if we try really hard?

Doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.

 

[Deebowbear]

I feel like about only 5-10% of the fan base expect Pruitt to turn things around. And Phil

This all day

 

[ugg]

Chaney needs to gtfo if he won't coach a position

D
Doug Matthews said on The Zone that he expects Chaney to take on more responsibilities next year. Possibly including coaching QB's.

 

[Orange Studs]

I do think it can be better. Fixing our abysmal offense, addressing the culture, developing the QBs, holding position coaches and coordinators accountable and getting Pruitt to be more of a HC should get us out of the gutter. But longer-term, we need a better solution.

If a HC hasn't changed in three years and I am sure Fulmer has told him several times about how a HC is suppose to work, I just don't have the confidence that he is all the sudden going to turn into this brand new HC. He is to stubborn to do it.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I do think it can be better. Fixing our abysmal offense, addressing the culture, developing the QBs, holding position coaches and coordinators accountable and getting Pruitt to be more of a HC should get us out of the gutter. But longer-term, we need a better solution.

How many times are we going to go through this exact same scenario?

Firing the wrong HC seems like the most logical thing to do but our administration is too busy with their thumbs up their a$$.

It’s pointless to keep Pruitt another year.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I think he’s figured out what he wants to be, and that’s an obsolete “pro-style, ball-control” offense. I’m sure Fulmer has cheered him on in this direction too. The problem is that neither of them have figured out that you can’t win many games like that these days.

Yes and no. Year 1 under Helton we were an I form power run hand the ball off 30 times a game.
Year 2 more zone run with some spread mixed in.
Year 3 we went more spread with a gap run scheme and a vertical passing scheme.
Mullen you know is going to kill you with pick routes and crosses. You know Kirby is stuck in the 80's and just wants to break you. Bama is just gonna do what they want. UK is going to try and pound you into submission. Vandy sucks. Scar was a spread passing team but I would call them multiple because they would go under center. Ole Miss is a true spread. Mizzou is a multiple passing attack. But what is TN sometimes we want to throw but sometimes we want to run, sometimes we take shots and others we go into a shell. Sometimes we run timing routes, sometimes we run outside zone. What is our team best at, the coaches need to figure that out and build an offense around that.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

We're going to be a year too late. Another ****** year while missing out on important recruits

 

[m1al]

Thanks for your info. We all know where this is going if we are honest about it. Rearranging deck chairs for the third time in a row.

While the band cranks up "Nearer, My God, to Thee..."

 

[RikidyBones]

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Doug Matthews said on The Zone that he expects Chaney to take on more responsibilities next year. Possibly including coaching QB's.

If Chaney is coaching QBs, he needs to be a key decider on OL coach. He needs to be able to trust the other position coaches to be on the same page.